Mr. Magoo,
I received the message and can return your call on Monday as today is just plain crazy here!
At this point it'll be best to work with Sean at Euro Truck on the money aspect of things, contact him and he'll get the deposit from you...
EFI Kit Nearing Completion
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MASSIVE PINZ
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You don't need to call me
Hi Jake,
There is no need to call me as I spoke with Sean this morning and am on the buyers list. Count me in!
There is no need to call me as I spoke with Sean this morning and am on the buyers list. Count me in!
Sincerely,
Gary Burt
1975 710M
Tucson, Arizona
Gary Burt
1975 710M
Tucson, Arizona
I want one but...
Right now my Pinz is in storage, and I don't have the $2400 for the kit. It sounds like a really great thing to me, though, and I would order one if I could. It sounds about the level of my technical skill, which isn't a lot, but it's better than most. I could rebuild a carb (tho now I won't have to, right?
Getting rid of the original plenum is sort of troubling to me too; I get that "what if I want to return the vehicle to original condition for some reason?"
But I hope you get your minimum, and I hope I'll be able to get one at some point soon.
Getting rid of the original plenum is sort of troubling to me too; I get that "what if I want to return the vehicle to original condition for some reason?"
But I hope you get your minimum, and I hope I'll be able to get one at some point soon.
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Lightningpinz
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Jake, Glad to see integretity in this group. You are right. Sean provided you with an engine He had made an investment. You are right there should be a ROI (return on investment). You deserve it for your time investment in research and so does Sean for fronting you an engine.. So often it is EXPECTED that since this is a hobby to many it should also be to YOU Scott and all us professionals. Since I work on Pinzies I am still trying to pay off bills and hope that when I get enough money some day there will be a kit for me and my pinz. Maybe Dennis will install efi kits to keep me busy enough to pay off bills and then i can afford a kit from you. Maybe this is why Dennis never developed an EFI kit or has yet to install a diesel in a Pinz even though every time he broaches the ides the question on every email is what engine are you going to do. (because after all once once I find out what engine you will install, I can do it too.) Currently we have a Mog out front and the owner has spent weeks working on it and asking how to fix it. Now after many weeks it was suggested that maybe it is time to have it fixed professionally. The reply: No way in Hell would I pay one of YOU to fix this. Gee thanks for spending several hours every day asking how to fix your truck you SOB. After all we do this for a hobby, that is how we put food on the kitchen table. I suppose he would let us come into his place of work and give us free advice all day and expect NOTHING in return. That is why your integrity is refreshing. Stay the course, repay Sean for his generosity and get what you deserve.
This EFI item should not be on the "tech" page.
It should be on e-bay.
This EFI kit is being promoted by someone that says, " we need obligations from those that are interested."
"I will say that I sell my engines all over the world---"
" Sean may provide installation"
"I can refer you to one of my authorized dealers in your area."
" with EFI if it is to rich to pass just pop out the programmner, make a change and test it again."
This is an opportunity if ever ther was one. The sales seem to be nearing the 15 unit plateau.
Just imagine what could happen when the sales volume rises to 30 units?
IPO?
It should be on e-bay.
This EFI kit is being promoted by someone that says, " we need obligations from those that are interested."
"I will say that I sell my engines all over the world---"
" Sean may provide installation"
"I can refer you to one of my authorized dealers in your area."
" with EFI if it is to rich to pass just pop out the programmner, make a change and test it again."
This is an opportunity if ever ther was one. The sales seem to be nearing the 15 unit plateau.
Just imagine what could happen when the sales volume rises to 30 units?
IPO?
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ExpeditionImports
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Hi John (Lighteningpinz),
You are way off base to infer that I do not feel Sean/Jake deserve their ROI. Maybe YOU should re-read my post, again, and again. Here let me quote a couple of my own lines for your reference:
"I stepped up...put my money where my mouth is. Sean has my order for multiple units."
"I am 100% supportive of the project, the development, and the price."
"I'm not suggesting this should be any other way, but it might explain why a dealer is not willing to sign up for 6-10 kits at a time, and why it may be difficult to find a lot of dealers inventorying the product."
"Exactly as I would expect on a low quantity highly technical product such as this. I would assume this also plays into the lower pricing, as setting this product up for the standard "distribution" with wholesale pricing would invariably raise the end user price"
Also keep in mind the context of my post.....I was replying to Vinces suggestion for dealers to carry the kits....(Which, WE HAVE COMMITTED TO DO) BTW, how many kits is your shop taking on to help the cause?
I realize there were some big words, and even a couple of business concepts (IE....Manufacturer Direct = Lower Prices to Consumer) but really, the next time you decide to "toss me under the bus" make sure that you've actually got a legitimate beef.
Cheers,
Scott Ingham
You are way off base to infer that I do not feel Sean/Jake deserve their ROI. Maybe YOU should re-read my post, again, and again. Here let me quote a couple of my own lines for your reference:
"I stepped up...put my money where my mouth is. Sean has my order for multiple units."
"I am 100% supportive of the project, the development, and the price."
"I'm not suggesting this should be any other way, but it might explain why a dealer is not willing to sign up for 6-10 kits at a time, and why it may be difficult to find a lot of dealers inventorying the product."
"Exactly as I would expect on a low quantity highly technical product such as this. I would assume this also plays into the lower pricing, as setting this product up for the standard "distribution" with wholesale pricing would invariably raise the end user price"
Also keep in mind the context of my post.....I was replying to Vinces suggestion for dealers to carry the kits....(Which, WE HAVE COMMITTED TO DO) BTW, how many kits is your shop taking on to help the cause?
I realize there were some big words, and even a couple of business concepts (IE....Manufacturer Direct = Lower Prices to Consumer) but really, the next time you decide to "toss me under the bus" make sure that you've actually got a legitimate beef.
Cheers,
Scott Ingham
Expedition Imports Corporation
Vallejo, California
www.expedition-imports.com
"You didn't buy a Chevy..." "Hows that Amazon tech support working out...."
Vallejo, California
www.expedition-imports.com
"You didn't buy a Chevy..." "Hows that Amazon tech support working out...."
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Lightningpinz
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Scott I'm sorry if I offended you. That was not the intent. I had a day where every body wanted everything for free. Jake had replied that he was not going to play that game. HE NEEDS a ROI for his work. DAMMED STRAIGHT! It was nice to see that in print. If somehow I inferred you or any other dealer is crooked or whatever, then I"M SORRY. For the record you are one of the Honest dealers I have dealt with in the past and would deal with now. Jake said he would sell thru Sean, to repay Sean for his investment. That is good. I would assume Sean will sell to other distributers for a price for a dealer and a different price for end customers. Just like happens now with all the dealers who develop something and then sell to end users and dealers. Nothing wrong with that.
So, since I can't communicate worth a crap, I will just go away and SHUT UP
GOODBYE
So, since I can't communicate worth a crap, I will just go away and SHUT UP
GOODBYE
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ExpeditionImports
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- Location: Vallejo, CA
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Hi John,
Thanks for the clarification. Just a misunderstanding between 2 guys that are probably way too tired to be making posts! Next beers on me.....
Cheers,
Scott
Thanks for the clarification. Just a misunderstanding between 2 guys that are probably way too tired to be making posts! Next beers on me.....
Cheers,
Scott
Expedition Imports Corporation
Vallejo, California
www.expedition-imports.com
"You didn't buy a Chevy..." "Hows that Amazon tech support working out...."
Vallejo, California
www.expedition-imports.com
"You didn't buy a Chevy..." "Hows that Amazon tech support working out...."
Update!
Wow!
This thread has had its up and downs.
Now, on a positive note......we have eight kits spoken for at this time. We need take deposits on seven more to keep this thing going.
Thanks to all that have put down deposits so far.
-Sean Philyaw
This thread has had its up and downs.
Now, on a positive note......we have eight kits spoken for at this time. We need take deposits on seven more to keep this thing going.
Thanks to all that have put down deposits so far.
-Sean Philyaw
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MASSIVE PINZ
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Fact is that everyone down the food chain of this kit is really a dealer for me and my company. I have found that "dealers" generally do not provide the support and customer service that they should for a product similar to this. This has been my education having dealt with dealers for yers, some of which have stolen my ideas, copied my components and sold them as the authentic product..
Due to this and the fact that I have no tolerance for any of the above stated activities I have chosen to serilously reduce the amount of "dealers" that will benefit from my products, I do this for my VW/ Porsche products and will do the same for the Pinz dealers. I belong in the shop, not doing administrative crap trying to keep dealers in line and from bickering with each other.
Due to this I will only be selling my kits to Sean. If he decides to give others in the Pinz market a dealer discount that is up to him and he'll be the one having to dictate pricing and quantities. This is due to an agreement that he and I made as well as the fact that we are local to each other and work well together.
If it were up to me I'd mandate that "dealers" must buy no less than 3 EFI systems to receive any discount at all.
I will say this right now... If "dealers" start complaining or whining everyone will go straight to retail pricing...
On a positive note we do have the 8 systems pre-sold and I am continuing the kit development.
Due to this and the fact that I have no tolerance for any of the above stated activities I have chosen to serilously reduce the amount of "dealers" that will benefit from my products, I do this for my VW/ Porsche products and will do the same for the Pinz dealers. I belong in the shop, not doing administrative crap trying to keep dealers in line and from bickering with each other.
Due to this I will only be selling my kits to Sean. If he decides to give others in the Pinz market a dealer discount that is up to him and he'll be the one having to dictate pricing and quantities. This is due to an agreement that he and I made as well as the fact that we are local to each other and work well together.
If it were up to me I'd mandate that "dealers" must buy no less than 3 EFI systems to receive any discount at all.
I will say this right now... If "dealers" start complaining or whining everyone will go straight to retail pricing...
On a positive note we do have the 8 systems pre-sold and I am continuing the kit development.
EFI for Pinz
Make that nine kits now...I just talked to Steve and left my deposit!
Looking forward to the fruitation of this kit!
Thanks guys for taking this on and offering it.
Bruce
Looking forward to the fruitation of this kit!
Thanks guys for taking this on and offering it.
Bruce
1975 710M
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lindenengineering
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HOW MANY KITS ARE WE TAKING IS THE QUESTION:- IN SHORT NONE.
I see the question has come up in recent posts (and privately on our web site) and the answer to that question is based upon sound financial reasons. The management of Linden Engineering believe in the Japanese MV theory of "just in" when it comes to repairs. We hold parts only for fast movers or rapid monthy turnover. So who has the best Pinz service from our perspective you might ask? Well simply put SAV. I can get parts quicker from these folk than anyone else. Often overnight for emergency fixes.
Don't get me wrong I am all for the Massive FI system and will install one (as posted previously) at a reduced price for those needing assitance. We do not see a great number of takers in the Denver Metro area in spite of the parc that exists. Of the potential only a few would need assistance and they would probably bring their own kits for an install should the need arise. It makes no sense to have capital tied in a system that few would take and would gather dust on our shelves.
So why the posture you might add? Simple, Pinzgauers are small portions of our business and represent about 8% of shop revenue. By far the biggest chunk are Landrover repairs (1995 to present). On those units we only keep a skeleton stock since the parts supply chain can usually get us what we want in 24 hrs. The same with Mogs, the UK Merb centre can have a part winging it way to us within a few hours from Milton Keynes. DHL and UK/USA customs ensures parts within three days from UK exit.
The same goes for diesel parts service for light duty trucks, Cummins Ford and GMC can all deliver within hours so we don't keep extensive stocks for those units either.
Basically like any business its down to volume and the god called cash flow.
Ever since we have followed our accountants' advise to reduce our Pinz coverage/involvement we have increased shop revenue and this can be related to a number of factors including the simple fact that ex mil trucks scare off other potential high dollar spenders of Lux cars repairs.
Our biggest profit margin earner has to be diesel repair and currently all investment is focused in that sector of the market not FI for Pinzies. Sorry.
That's not to mention as a final note that us two old codgers in the shop "aint" interested in Pinzies, far from it but our younger techs think they are primitive and below their station in life.
Still from time to time we can raise eyebrows. recently we had a Kenworth 6x4 tanden tractor unit with 40' bucket trailer (Detroit 60 series with Spicer trans etc) back out the yard only to get stuck in the rough opposite. With two axle wheels aimlessly spinning in the air John (lightening Pinz) like flash lightening, pulls up with a chain and pulls the whole bloody lot out with his Pinz. How any of you Moab lot out there have done that with your rig.Not bad for a 40 ton pull with a standard Pinz on carbies!
Dennis
Linden Engineering Inc
I see the question has come up in recent posts (and privately on our web site) and the answer to that question is based upon sound financial reasons. The management of Linden Engineering believe in the Japanese MV theory of "just in" when it comes to repairs. We hold parts only for fast movers or rapid monthy turnover. So who has the best Pinz service from our perspective you might ask? Well simply put SAV. I can get parts quicker from these folk than anyone else. Often overnight for emergency fixes.
Don't get me wrong I am all for the Massive FI system and will install one (as posted previously) at a reduced price for those needing assitance. We do not see a great number of takers in the Denver Metro area in spite of the parc that exists. Of the potential only a few would need assistance and they would probably bring their own kits for an install should the need arise. It makes no sense to have capital tied in a system that few would take and would gather dust on our shelves.
So why the posture you might add? Simple, Pinzgauers are small portions of our business and represent about 8% of shop revenue. By far the biggest chunk are Landrover repairs (1995 to present). On those units we only keep a skeleton stock since the parts supply chain can usually get us what we want in 24 hrs. The same with Mogs, the UK Merb centre can have a part winging it way to us within a few hours from Milton Keynes. DHL and UK/USA customs ensures parts within three days from UK exit.
The same goes for diesel parts service for light duty trucks, Cummins Ford and GMC can all deliver within hours so we don't keep extensive stocks for those units either.
Basically like any business its down to volume and the god called cash flow.
Ever since we have followed our accountants' advise to reduce our Pinz coverage/involvement we have increased shop revenue and this can be related to a number of factors including the simple fact that ex mil trucks scare off other potential high dollar spenders of Lux cars repairs.
Our biggest profit margin earner has to be diesel repair and currently all investment is focused in that sector of the market not FI for Pinzies. Sorry.
That's not to mention as a final note that us two old codgers in the shop "aint" interested in Pinzies, far from it but our younger techs think they are primitive and below their station in life.
Still from time to time we can raise eyebrows. recently we had a Kenworth 6x4 tanden tractor unit with 40' bucket trailer (Detroit 60 series with Spicer trans etc) back out the yard only to get stuck in the rough opposite. With two axle wheels aimlessly spinning in the air John (lightening Pinz) like flash lightening, pulls up with a chain and pulls the whole bloody lot out with his Pinz. How any of you Moab lot out there have done that with your rig.Not bad for a 40 ton pull with a standard Pinz on carbies!
Dennis
Linden Engineering Inc
OOOps no customer bashing now
Update!
We now have deposits for 11 kits from as close as Florida to as far away as Japan.
Thanks to everyone and please keep them coming.
-Sean Philyaw
Thanks to everyone and please keep them coming.
-Sean Philyaw
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goudacheese
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- Location: Potomac, MD
My Apologies to All
I have personally apologized to Massive Pinz, but I also owe the board a very sincere apology for the asinine comments I posted previously.
Those that have met me, and those that have read my web postings before, know that was completely out of character. I obviously went beyond my stress point these past few weeks/months and it was reflected in me being a complete "asshat" to lots of folks (not just you electronic acquaintances, but close family and personal friends, too).
I wish you all well, and hope that we can all stay focused on the primary passion of this board: Real4x4s.
Thanks,
-Loyal
Those that have met me, and those that have read my web postings before, know that was completely out of character. I obviously went beyond my stress point these past few weeks/months and it was reflected in me being a complete "asshat" to lots of folks (not just you electronic acquaintances, but close family and personal friends, too).
I wish you all well, and hope that we can all stay focused on the primary passion of this board: Real4x4s.
Thanks,
-Loyal