How about a new subject? Tires.

ka · Post by ka » Wed Jul 02, 2008 11:34 am

actually, i went thru a set of swamper sst's and a set of tsl's. both awesome.

nankang N889 Mudstar is the full name of the one's that are on the pinz that just arrived last night. they've got some good reviews and are extremely cheap. we'll see what they do.

IwanaPinz · Post by **IwanaPinz** » Mon Jul 07, 2008 10:18 am

OK a little snag, I think.

I know I must have missed something in Pinz Tires 101, but I had no idea that the Maloyas were tubed tires?

So can tubeless tires be mounted on the stock rims?
My tire guy say its no problem to mount them with tubes but that I will not be able to use the system of tiny beads to balance the tires. I would have to use wheel weights.
He did say that the tires could be mounted tubeless but that the rims lack a feature that would keep them secured to the rim. He said that I would have to maintain proper tire pressure in order to ensure they do not come off the rim.

I am sure that you guys have the answer.

Thanks,

Brian

Protoman333 · Post by **Protoman333** » Mon Jul 07, 2008 1:56 pm

yes, they can be mounted without tubes. i hesitated when i did mine but was assured it would work. many years of use and no problems.

the wheels lack what ive always referred to as a true "safety bead", but i probably dont know what im talking about. either way, the tires will seat.

once, they had to use a tank of compressed air with a special flattened connection on it that they stick between the tire and wheel and then opened a valve to release the air. that allowed them to seat the tire on the wheel as it sometimes wont work with just an air hose i guess. holy sh*t it was loud though. step the he!l out of the garage if you see them break that d*mn thing out. seriously. over the years heavy metal concerts and ridiculously loud stereos have damaged my ears, but that thing (in a split second, mind you) made my ears ring for a solid 2 days.

i am running the balancing media myself now and my tires went right on without any special air tank tool thingy.

if you do run tubes, you can air down farther without losing a bead. i dont drop mine much below 15 psi for that reason, although ive never lost a bead so im not sure why i keep them that high.

to be safe, if im running 15 psi i just dont get on the highway until i reinflate.

rubicon4wheeler · Post by **rubicon4wheeler** » Mon Jul 07, 2008 10:19 pm

The Staun internal beadlock is your solution to the problem of a lack of a safety bead on the factory Pinz wheels:

http://www.staunproducts.com/beadlock.php

krick3tt · Post by **krick3tt** » Wed Jul 09, 2008 10:11 am

Brian,
I am running tubes and balancing beads, no problem. The only thing is that I cannot use the runflat goo that comes in a can. But then, I could not use that when I had no tubes.
I quit running the rim weights a year ago as they fall off on the trail anyway.

Morris,
M710, M416 trailer

IwanaPinz · Post by **IwanaPinz** » Thu Jul 10, 2008 11:06 pm

Cool!
OK, the project is done! and man am I happy. Those Maloyas were the cause of most the noise created by a moving Pinz. The new tires are tremendous.

I want to thank to everyone who joined in on helping me.
Here is a link to my Flickr page for a few pics.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/tahl007/

The pictures are a little out of order, sorry about that.

ka · Post by ka » Fri Jul 11, 2008 10:11 am

when i was at costco the other day i diverted into the tire room. there were bfg mudders and bfg at's and lots of little road stuff. digging my thumb nail into the mudders was very revealing. they were made of this hard waxy slippery stuff. the at's were made of something much more grabby, like an eraser. same with the other little tires. i've used dick cepek mudders in the winter with gr8 results but now i think i won't chance the bfg mudders that way. super swampers rule in deep snow, packed hard frozen roads and frozen lakes (unless you want to do donuts).

Torchd · Post by **Torchd** » Thu Jul 31, 2008 8:07 am

Hey guys... im a newbie here and i just bought a 1992 716 turbo diesel pinzy..!
I went thru the whole thread and enjoyed it.

The tires are poop on that and i wana change them.

BFG Mud terrain T/A 35x12.50 X R15 are available and i really like them. Will they work if i change the rims to 15...can i put 15 rims ?? mine has 16 on it.

Whats the pcd on my pinzy? it has 5 bolts.

Thanks!

rubicon4wheeler · Post by **rubicon4wheeler** » Thu Jul 31, 2008 11:50 am

Torchd wrote:Hey guys... im a newbie here and i just bought a 1992 716 turbo diesel pinzy..!
I went thru the whole thread and enjoyed it.

The tires are poop on that and i wana change them.

BFG Mud terrain T/A 35x12.50 X R15 are available and i really like them. Will they work if i change the rims to 15...can i put 15 rims ?? mine has 16 on it.

Whats the pcd on my pinzy? it has 5 bolts.

Thanks!

Don't bother changing the wheels. The equivalent to 35x12.50 on a 16-inch rim is 315/75-16 which is a common size, one in which the BFG M/T is available.

I don't know what is the width of the wheels on the 716's, but this is too wide a size for the 710/712's wheels. The diameter is also really pushing the limits of what the wheelwells can fit. A widened wheel only makes tire clearance even more of a problem, especially in front because you must be able to steer. To my knowledge, the Pinz doesn't share its wheel lug pattern with any other vehicle, so you would have to get custom made wheels if you wanted to change them.

This is why most people choose the 255/85-16 size, which is available with the BFG M/T. It's only about 1 inch shorter than the 35" BFG, but a couple inches narrower, so it actually fits well.

Erik712m · Post by **Erik712m** » Thu Jul 31, 2008 1:41 pm

710/712 Share the same lug pattern as some fords. read past tire treads. 716/718 has a totally different bolt pattern. I beleave herbert put fifteen inch wheels on one he was selling. 35 inch tires are to big they will fit but you will probly end up braking some thing on your first off road outing.

Erik712m · Post by **Erik712m** » Thu Jul 31, 2008 1:50 pm

Here you go rubicon http://real4x4forums.com/PinzgauerBBS/v ... c&start=15

rubicon4wheeler · Post by **rubicon4wheeler** » Thu Jul 31, 2008 2:08 pm

Thanks Erik, I found that thread and read through it. I'll revise my statement:

...the Pinz doesn't share its wheel lug pattern with any other vehicle available in the United States.

Profpinz · Post by **Profpinz** » Thu Jul 31, 2008 5:29 pm

the Pinz doesn't share its wheel lug pattern with any other vehicle available in the United States

The 710/712 doesn't share a wheel stud pattern with virtually anything!

Erik712m · Post by **Erik712m** » Thu Jul 31, 2008 6:18 pm

[quote="Profpinz"][quote]the Pinz doesn't share its wheel lug pattern with any other vehicle available in the United States[/quote]
The 710/712 doesn't share a wheel stud pattern with virtually anything!

[/quote] Peter, will you please explain?

David Dunn · Post by **David Dunn** » Thu Jul 31, 2008 7:42 pm

Erik712m wrote:
Profpinz wrote:
the Pinz doesn't share its wheel lug pattern with any other vehicle available in the United States
The 710/712 doesn't share a wheel stud pattern with virtually anything!
Peter, will you please explain?

I think that is pretty clear. There has been a few vehicles that has shared the same lug pattern, BUT the wheel size and makeup was such to be useless for a Pinz.When you mention some "Fords" above. You negleted to say European Fords. All these things were explored back in '01 or so, and never panned out.