springs ?

norcal pinz · Post by **norcal pinz** » Sun Mar 29, 2009 6:10 am

i noticed today that my bump stops, on the front both sides , inside the spring are like almost touching and there is no weight in the vehicle do i need springs?

milesdzyn · Post by **milesdzyn** » Sun Mar 29, 2009 1:10 pm

Here is a photo of mine, cleaned up and repainted, so it's easier to see the parts.

These are my original springs, they were only 1/4 inch shorter than my new set, so I just reused the old ones. Amazing what bead blasting and some epoxy paint does to old springs, they look better than my new ones.

I had to compress them even further than just the weight of the chassis, in order to get the limiting strap on. As you can see in the photo the strap is tight.

Miles

dokatd · Post by **dokatd** » Sun Mar 29, 2009 1:55 pm

This was something I was wondering about too. My 712 is almost sitting on the bumpstops up front. I was considering using rover coils as they seem to be the same inside diameter. I can get many different spring rates and lengths in the rover world, vs the factory pinz springs. But what is the going price for a set of new pinz front coils. I used to have piles of rover coils in every possible weight and length, but i tossed them a couple years back, would have made for some fun testing.

EvanH · Post by **EvanH** » Sun Mar 29, 2009 2:26 pm

Keep up with the pictures, Miles - I love the feeling of jealousy!

-Evan

milesdzyn · Post by **milesdzyn** » Sun Mar 29, 2009 2:34 pm

New run about $300.00 each, Used run about $135.00 each. If you go the used route be sure they measure the springs for you, thou that does not mean they are still tight.

Also the factory springs should have markings on them, in red paint dots for front springs and green paint dots for rear springs.

From Repair manual Section-N, Page-2

@ a spring length of 246mm, Height of spring unloaded should be 380mm.
1 red dot = 7535 - 7740 N
2 red dots = 7750 - 7946 N
3 red dots = 7956 - 8162 N

@ a spring lenght of 240mm, Height of spring unloaded should be 342mm.
1 green dot = 3590 -3708 N
2 green dots = 3718 - 3836 N
3 green dots = 3846 - 3963 N

Hope that helps, Miles

springhill · Post by **springhill** » Sun Mar 29, 2009 3:52 pm

Miles,
You need to get your bottom strap lined straight up or it will rip out of the side. I ruined a brand new strap because I didn't have it on right.

Haven't broken one of these!

milesdzyn wrote:Here is a photo of mine, cleaned up and repainted, so it's easier to see the parts.

These are my original springs, they were only 1/4 inch shorter than my new set, so I just reused the old ones. Amazing what bead blasting and some epoxy paint does to old springs, they look better than my new ones.

I had to compress them even further than just the weight of the chassis, in order to get the limiting strap on. As you can see in the photo the strap is tight.

Miles

milesdzyn · Post by **milesdzyn** » Sun Mar 29, 2009 10:57 pm

Springhill...Will do, I was trying to force the flex inward instead of outward into the tire. I will switch over to the Nylon limiting straps when I burn through the originals and my spares, I think they are the way to go.

Miles

chacaocop1 · Post by **chacaocop1** » Sun Mar 29, 2009 11:09 pm

Who sells those vinyl limiting straps?

Twin Pinzies · Post by **Twin Pinzies** » Sun Mar 29, 2009 11:12 pm

On the topic of limit strap orientation. The factory manual suggests that you install them so that they bow inward rather than outward towards the tire. Too much, and it will shred. Go with the nylon upgrades. Tougher and WAY cheaper!

You can get them from OK OFFROAD

norcal pinz · Post by **norcal pinz** » Mon Mar 30, 2009 1:13 am

lets talk about the gap between the bump stops on both those pics. thats what im talking about mine look like the ones almost touching need new springs?

Erik712m · Post by **Erik712m** » Mon Mar 30, 2009 10:38 am

Check the camber of the wheel. Is toe in or toe out?

andy · Post by **andy** » Mon Mar 30, 2009 10:44 am

chacaocop1 wrote:Who sells those vinyl limiting straps?

Carlos, if ya don't get an answer soon check the archives. There have been several sources listed in the past.

Andy

springhill · Post by **springhill** » Mon Mar 30, 2009 2:57 pm

Sorry about the hijack! Yes, you do need new springs. Mine were almost touching--I carry a lot of weight.

norcal pinz wrote:i noticed today that my bump stops, on the front both sides , inside the spring are like almost touching and there is no weight in the vehicle do i need springs?

Erik712m · Post by **Erik712m** » Mon Mar 30, 2009 7:48 pm

Springhill I remember reading your past post on your spring there is no way they are factory springs the ends aren't tapered. I've been told that when some else tried to run springs like yours they would come off the ball on occasion. Have you had any experience with this?

springhill · Post by **springhill** » Mon Mar 30, 2009 8:00 pm

Erik,
I haven't had any trouble with these springs. They were very stiff for a while, but have softened up just right. I got them from SAV.

john

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