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MASSIVE PINZ
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There should be no tools required that are special other than what would be needed for the fuel tank mods (adding a return line)
There will be NO soldering needed! All of these things have been taken into consideration and this arrangement is being set up specifically for a Pinz, so unless someone wants to modify my work there should be no soldering needed.
There will be NO soldering needed! All of these things have been taken into consideration and this arrangement is being set up specifically for a Pinz, so unless someone wants to modify my work there should be no soldering needed.
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Lightningpinz
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Wouldn't the easy way to add the fuel return line is to "T" into the vent line at the top of tank (vents from rear of tank to filler neck.) KISSMIE (Keep It Simple Stuid Make It Easy)
Hey Jake if Dennis does indeed install one of these as he has been asked to do, will I have access to the "User" BBS (http://forums.aircooledtechnology.com/)
so I can provide the utmost in service even if I am a low one in the food chain as you so put it?
Hey Jake if Dennis does indeed install one of these as he has been asked to do, will I have access to the "User" BBS (http://forums.aircooledtechnology.com/)
so I can provide the utmost in service even if I am a low one in the food chain as you so put it?
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Charles
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Hey There LightneningPinz,
I'm probably the guiinea pig to which you refer. I've ordered the kit and plan to drive down to Golden in the later winter/spring of 07 for the installation.
So, I'd sure like it if LinDen could provide to me the "utmost in service"...
Also, something that I've learned from Dennis for those of us who have an eberspracher heater with the fuel intake "t-d" off the main line: This will be a no-no for the EFI install. Plan on plumbing in a seperate line for the heater.
Jake: Sure gonna be interested in those cold weather results when you get 'em!
I'm probably the guiinea pig to which you refer. I've ordered the kit and plan to drive down to Golden in the later winter/spring of 07 for the installation.
So, I'd sure like it if LinDen could provide to me the "utmost in service"...
Also, something that I've learned from Dennis for those of us who have an eberspracher heater with the fuel intake "t-d" off the main line: This will be a no-no for the EFI install. Plan on plumbing in a seperate line for the heater.
Jake: Sure gonna be interested in those cold weather results when you get 'em!
Best Regards,
Charles
('73 710K)
PS: Keep your stick on the ice
Charles
('73 710K)
PS: Keep your stick on the ice
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MASSIVE PINZ
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For the system to work best it is a must that an unrestricted path for the return fuel be created back into the tank. The problem with a "T" type system is that the pressure regulator does not do it's job completely and this can lead to higher pressure at the injectors than desired which leads to horrible tuning nightmares.
The easiest way is not the best, taking the time to create the return back into the fuel tank will be time well spent, why compromise what I have worked so hard for to this point with a botched return line???
Guys with gas heaters will need to keep their stock fuel pump in place for delivery of fuel to the heater, this is how I have my Pinz as we speak..
Gas heaters don't work well with 36 PSI fuel pressure which is the operating constant of my system..
The easiest way is not the best, taking the time to create the return back into the fuel tank will be time well spent, why compromise what I have worked so hard for to this point with a botched return line???
Guys with gas heaters will need to keep their stock fuel pump in place for delivery of fuel to the heater, this is how I have my Pinz as we speak..
Gas heaters don't work well with 36 PSI fuel pressure which is the operating constant of my system..
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lindenengineering
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Oh may I chime in here?
I have a few pertinent comments.
The breather pipe mentioned by (lighteningpinz) running along the top of the tank is an ideal return line to tap in returned fuel in our estimation It presents no restriction whatsoever and was crucial to our past Pinzgauer 115 HP TD dieselization project.
As to auxilliery heaters and fueling issues.
I will quote Webasto edict:- The heater must NOT be connected in any way to the pressurised fueling system. Unquote .
In short if you want the heater to go up in flames and singe your tail feathers connect it to the FI supply system.
As for Service (delivery and support). We have serviced Pinzgauers for a long time and although the parc has dwindled significantly in the Denver area of late due to a variety of factors we still have a sizeable following.That in spite of some high street and backyard start up enterprises!
We believe we must be doing something right especially since our salient product exposure are Landrovers and diesel engines.
Dennis
Linden Engineering Inc
I have a few pertinent comments.
The breather pipe mentioned by (lighteningpinz) running along the top of the tank is an ideal return line to tap in returned fuel in our estimation It presents no restriction whatsoever and was crucial to our past Pinzgauer 115 HP TD dieselization project.
As to auxilliery heaters and fueling issues.
I will quote Webasto edict:- The heater must NOT be connected in any way to the pressurised fueling system. Unquote .
In short if you want the heater to go up in flames and singe your tail feathers connect it to the FI supply system.
As for Service (delivery and support). We have serviced Pinzgauers for a long time and although the parc has dwindled significantly in the Denver area of late due to a variety of factors we still have a sizeable following.That in spite of some high street and backyard start up enterprises!
We believe we must be doing something right especially since our salient product exposure are Landrovers and diesel engines.
Dennis
Linden Engineering Inc
OOOps no customer bashing now
This entire thread has been the perfect exercise, if ever there was one.
The bait is that of the "wonder weapon" of a secret fuel injection system for a Pinz. Designed by a "backyard mechanic expert" that says/knows he knows more than the guys at the Porsche factory do about fuel injection systems.
The guy that knows how to redesign the wheel.
This contraption is for sale. My! How amazing is that?
And, from what I have been able to read, once your check is cashed you will be able to get technical help during business hours, from what I assume is a highly trained secretary, guiding you through the technical details of air flow sensor detection meters,and just how they interact with the gas pressure sensors on the outer perimeters of the inner orifices of the upper gaskets of the hand made titaium stem seats.
Caveat emptor.
The bait is that of the "wonder weapon" of a secret fuel injection system for a Pinz. Designed by a "backyard mechanic expert" that says/knows he knows more than the guys at the Porsche factory do about fuel injection systems.
The guy that knows how to redesign the wheel.
This contraption is for sale. My! How amazing is that?
And, from what I have been able to read, once your check is cashed you will be able to get technical help during business hours, from what I assume is a highly trained secretary, guiding you through the technical details of air flow sensor detection meters,and just how they interact with the gas pressure sensors on the outer perimeters of the inner orifices of the upper gaskets of the hand made titaium stem seats.
Caveat emptor.
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Charles
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Think Tony was weaned a little too early...
Yes, we know there is some risk involved in buying an "experimental" setup. However, this is a couple of notches up from a "backyard mechanic", and has been sponsored (for lack of a better term) by a Pinz retailer that we all know.
Yes, I'd love more info from 'em as the work progresses, and yes, I'd like some sort of guarantee that this whole thing will work, blah blah blah.
Here's the deal
1) We're all big boys here
2) The amount of money we are talking about here is not that great and hopefully we can all afford it (or should know better if we can't)
3) We own Pinzes for F-sakes. What kind of guarantees do we have with those right outta the box? If we wanted warrantees and the like, we'd have all bought minivans or some-such-crap.
4) Those of us who (thankfully on Thanksgiving day) lucked into the extra spending money are doing a favor for the rest of you either way... If it works out, then you've got 15+ guinea pigs to thank. If not, well then you've got those same guinea pigs to thank again dontcha...
Anyhoo, I was willing to put up my cash for the experiment, and this Emptor is Caveating all he needs to...
As Sgt. Hulka says, "Lighten up Francis"...
Yes, we know there is some risk involved in buying an "experimental" setup. However, this is a couple of notches up from a "backyard mechanic", and has been sponsored (for lack of a better term) by a Pinz retailer that we all know.
Yes, I'd love more info from 'em as the work progresses, and yes, I'd like some sort of guarantee that this whole thing will work, blah blah blah.
Here's the deal
1) We're all big boys here
2) The amount of money we are talking about here is not that great and hopefully we can all afford it (or should know better if we can't)
3) We own Pinzes for F-sakes. What kind of guarantees do we have with those right outta the box? If we wanted warrantees and the like, we'd have all bought minivans or some-such-crap.
4) Those of us who (thankfully on Thanksgiving day) lucked into the extra spending money are doing a favor for the rest of you either way... If it works out, then you've got 15+ guinea pigs to thank. If not, well then you've got those same guinea pigs to thank again dontcha...
Anyhoo, I was willing to put up my cash for the experiment, and this Emptor is Caveating all he needs to...
As Sgt. Hulka says, "Lighten up Francis"...
Best Regards,
Charles
('73 710K)
PS: Keep your stick on the ice
Charles
('73 710K)
PS: Keep your stick on the ice
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MASSIVE PINZ
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Tony,The bait is that of the "wonder weapon" of a secret fuel injection system for a Pinz. Designed by a "backyard mechanic expert" that says/knows he knows more than the guys at the Porsche factory do about fuel injection systems.
I don't think I ever said or implied that I knew more about FI than Porsche. I will say that I have sold dozens of units as UPGRADES to Porsche owners that are getting rid of their analog systems for a digital programmable system that allows much better fuel and ignition control than a stock system.
if you have ever created something for a market then had the idea stolen and copied by others you'd understand why pictures and etc have not been released YET. These things will be shared when the time is right, but that won't be for another few weeks.
.The guy that knows how to redesign the wheel
everything can always stand to be made better, the wheel and moustrap are both included!
About as amazing that some smart ass chiming in on a thread that he has no interest in!This contraption is for sale. My! How amazing is that?
What a smartass..And, from what I have been able to read, once your check is cashed you will be able to get technical help during business hours, from what I assume is a highly trained secretary, guiding you through the technical details of air flow sensor detection meters,and just how they interact with the gas pressure sensors on the outer perimeters of the inner orifices of the upper gaskets of the hand made titaium stem seats.
Those that purchase these systems will be getting support with their purchases via my online forums as well as up to one hour of free phone support from ME personally. The systems also come with an installation video to make the experience easier...
OK... Whatever..Caveat emptor.
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Lightningpinz
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Hey Jake, if you have followed the real 4x4 group for a while, Tony loves yanking some ones chain. He is always funny and totally disrespectfull. If you flinch he usually come back for more. So, Laugh at his cracks and realize he is just having fun. Or as Allen Funt used to say Someday, somewhere Tony is gonna get you. I hope every one else realizes that also. In that light some of his jabs are very funny.
Re the Tee. I agree you cannot tee into the fuel line on a pressure system. The Webasto and Eberspacher systems does not use a pressure feed to the unit. The fuel pumps pulse a little bit of fuel each pulse. The brains controls the frequency of the pulsing to control the quantity of the fuel feed. A pressure feed would only induce excessive fire in the unit which would only result in a total melt down. The Tee I was referring to was to tee into the tank " breather" which is a 6 milimeter line from the rear of the tank to the filler neck so the tank can fill fully with out an air pocket in the top of the tank. Teeing into this line would give a quantity of (2) 6 millimeter lines (routes) for the return from the pressure rail.
Re the Tee. I agree you cannot tee into the fuel line on a pressure system. The Webasto and Eberspacher systems does not use a pressure feed to the unit. The fuel pumps pulse a little bit of fuel each pulse. The brains controls the frequency of the pulsing to control the quantity of the fuel feed. A pressure feed would only induce excessive fire in the unit which would only result in a total melt down. The Tee I was referring to was to tee into the tank " breather" which is a 6 milimeter line from the rear of the tank to the filler neck so the tank can fill fully with out an air pocket in the top of the tank. Teeing into this line would give a quantity of (2) 6 millimeter lines (routes) for the return from the pressure rail.
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MASSIVE PINZ
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Yep,
I got some cold start values today and made a 43 mile drive flawlessly last night while maintaining 12.5:1 AFR..
I still have several values to attain and then need to do some treks up the mountain, I can't do those this week due to previous commitments from over a year ago...
Getting the fuel MAPS is just one obstacle in the way, with my fabricator leaving to work for Penske Porsche I am still trying to get the plenum fabrication back on track...
I got some cold start values today and made a 43 mile drive flawlessly last night while maintaining 12.5:1 AFR..
I still have several values to attain and then need to do some treks up the mountain, I can't do those this week due to previous commitments from over a year ago...
Getting the fuel MAPS is just one obstacle in the way, with my fabricator leaving to work for Penske Porsche I am still trying to get the plenum fabrication back on track...
Ordered EFI kit from Sean!
First I have to say thank you to Jake for having the drive & patients to pull this off. I have had my 712M since early 2005. Dennis did all the drive upgrades including trans, and then I completely stripped & repainted the truck in Dallas. I now have it in Upstate New York. My only compaint has been the Carbs. Scott told me there was one in the works two years ago. I am on the list and can't wait. I would love to smash the carbs when they are removed, but will sell them instead to someone that wants them. Anyone in the Northeast who would like to try it let me know.