What the hell is a 710S???

[psychoman]

Spotted this on Milweb...

http://www.milweb.net/webverts/58701/

Probably my lack of knowledge, but I've never seen a 710 in this configuration, or reference to a "710S". Is this a bitsa, or a just a rare model?

[undysworld]

As far as I am aware, they were never made this way. I believe they were modified from a K. I know Scott at IE has done several.

[edzz]

It’s a modified 710K, note the lack of support structure for the “roll bars”.

[David Dunn]

"S" is Scott's designation for his version of a K refitted as an M.
I refered to the original configuration of mine as a 716KM ( 5 door platform with softtop).
It has all the structural strength of a M, since it is all the same parts

[edzz]

It has all the structural strength of a M, since it is all the same parts

Less the cage "support structure" on the front "roll" bar. Also not the same parts as the roof line has been raised, similar maybe, same no. In the case of yours and the ones Scott has done I’m inclined to agree with you.

[David Dunn]

Less the cage "support structure" on the front "roll" bar. Also not the same parts as the roof line has been raised, similar maybe, same no. In the case of yours and the ones Scott has done I’m inclined to agree with you.

These M conversions were made with M parts, the roofline is not raised. I fitted my truck with the cage for the addirional strength.
The lack of the cage in the K conversion is no different than those that remove the cage in their M.

I spent a lot of time measuring and checking things before making the conversion on my 716 back in '03. Jurgen had a folder on SDP-P site that followed the transformation... there is a lot of mis-information about these trucks and their creation and how they were made

[edzz]

Dave, as I already said, in the case of yours and the ones Scott (and any others that have used stock parts) has done I’m inclined to agree with you.

In the case of this truck http://www.milweb.net/webverts/58701/ I do not agree with you. As stated in the ad copy “ An American inspired 5 door custom soft top with a raised roof line and panoramic windows. “ the roof line has been altered by about 6 inches, the roll bars are NOT stock.

I question if they provide the same strength as the trucks you and Scott (and any others that have used stock parts) have built.

[4x4Pinz]

not much chance they can provide the same protection. They are only gusseted on one side of the NEW roll bars unlike the original. If you have ever tried to put a hole in the original roll bar metal you know that it is not just your run of the mill steel. There are no loops to retain the canvas at the rear like an original and the connection points of the upper bars does not appear to be the same as an original. The divider cage provides a bit more stiffening than one would expect. This is evidenced by the damage sustained in lay overs. The rear roll bars always take more damage or tweaking than the front even though the majority of the weight is in the front.

Still not a bad alteration to the truck. More head room getting in and out and far more open than a regular K model.

[David Dunn]

Sorry Ed, We were looking at this thread from 2 different point of view. You from the truck in the ad, I was looking at the general question and " typical" makeup of a "S".

I favor discribing trucks with a type designation similar to what the factory may use ( which was expanded with the 716/ 18 series). Generally, the first letter give the platform which the base truck was built, and the 2nd letter (if there is one) the upper portion of the truck. M's being a 3 door platform with a softtop, and K for a 5 door platform with hard cab.
In the TDs there are MK's which are 3 door platforms with a hard cab. I went with a KM as a 5 door platform and a softtop. ( more descriptive). Other speciality vehicles with discription of it's service... AMB , F, etc..

Within the TD production, the factory made some very unique truck layouts. Through these I decided to make my truck and if I find the time and capital, have other changes I'd like to try.

[psychoman]

Interesting where these threads take you sometimes - always good to understand a little more about what people have done as mods and the pros and cons of different approaches.

[ExpeditionImports]

Wow,

I inspired a brit, didn't think that was possible! Kind of funny how things come about. We built our first soft top 710K back in 2002 and simply added the "S" designation for "Sport" and put it on our website. People started calling in about the "710S" models and the name stuck. Their was absolutely zero thought, planning, or care put into it....simply happened.

That being said, of the 710 variants, it by far is my favorite and in my opinion the most practical as a people mover. As happened about 3 years ago, if someone with an S calls into the factory to request a soft-top for their 710S, they are not going to get a lot of satisfaction!

Cheers,

Scott

[Pinzgear]

Scott at EI built my 710S and I absolutely LOVE it. I always loved the "open-ness" of an M, but didn't like the safety of the side-facing rear seats. The S gives me 5 forward-facing seats and the way Scott configured mine, I also have 4 rear-facing seats (a bench behind the driver and passenger seats), giving me a total of 9 seat belts. Perfect for my family of 9!! The kids love driving around in it and I like the fact that they are relatively safe with the forward-facing seats. It has the stock rear seats in the back which I think I am going to replace with Recaro or Corbeau seats someday so that the kids have rear head support in the event of an accident.

Overall, I think the S configuration is the best of both worlds and Scott and Brian at EI did an awesome job on the conversion. I have a lot of people around here think that my pinz is brand new!

[Dreadnought]

If you have ever tried to drill a hole in 'any' part of a Pinz let alone the rollover bars, you will know why it cost so much when new....none of it is 'run of the mill mild steel'