Same story,different place,'cept He is called The Lost Dutchman in AZ.!
The only reef here will get you arrested! 
Mark
SOS WI DOT Cancels ALL Pinz Titles!
I received a response from my state representative today. In the letter he states,
"I have looked into this matter. It appears that DOT's interpretation of the law is accurate and that Wisconsin law does not allow the Department to title vehicles that were designed for military use. The law includes an exception for vehicles that have stickers from the federal government that indicate that they are approved for highway use. However, vehicles manufactured before the late 1960s and most foreign-manufactured vehicles do not have those stickers."
"Some of my colleagues in the Legislature are looking at changing this law to allow collectors and hobbyists to title military vehicles for highway use. I have contacted those Legislators and offered to assist their efforts. However, at this time, legislation has not been introduced."
I will follow up with my legislator on Monday.
My question for those that know more about Pinzs is - Is this information accurate? If so, we need to identify the legislators who are willing to change the law and offer our assistance. Also, is there a way to grandfather in the Pinzgauers that have been titled and licensed in this state or to alter/modify/upgrade them to meet the requirements?
"I have looked into this matter. It appears that DOT's interpretation of the law is accurate and that Wisconsin law does not allow the Department to title vehicles that were designed for military use. The law includes an exception for vehicles that have stickers from the federal government that indicate that they are approved for highway use. However, vehicles manufactured before the late 1960s and most foreign-manufactured vehicles do not have those stickers."
"Some of my colleagues in the Legislature are looking at changing this law to allow collectors and hobbyists to title military vehicles for highway use. I have contacted those Legislators and offered to assist their efforts. However, at this time, legislation has not been introduced."
I will follow up with my legislator on Monday.
My question for those that know more about Pinzs is - Is this information accurate? If so, we need to identify the legislators who are willing to change the law and offer our assistance. Also, is there a way to grandfather in the Pinzgauers that have been titled and licensed in this state or to alter/modify/upgrade them to meet the requirements?
Is it just possible that the rapid rise in oil prices, the insatiable demand for fuel by China and India and the declining situation in the Gulf has forced Governments to seek unusual methods to reduce consumption.
GB was never in the forefront for "Green issues" yet they are seeking to reduce demand by piling on massive amounts of tax on fuel and gas guzzling cars. They have just announced that the taxes on fuel guzzlers is going to rise. All sorts of ways are being looked at to reduce oil consumption. I believe that this is also so across Europe. Looking at our media, which is always slanted, has always given us the impression that the US does not take green issues seriously, yet they all of a sudden appear to be embracing the nettle now. Why is this? I believe that there is an oil crisis.
I believe that the green issue in respect to green house gasses is overplayed, it is not that I think there is no problem. I just think that governments are very good at acting and exaggerating things when it suits them, in order to achieve there real aim. I think that the west has been extremely concerned about fuel supplies and that that is why we are in the gulf flexing muscle and posturing and threatening further military escalation. I think that they realise that in reality the middle east is a lost cause unless the massive increase in death rate amongst coalition forces could be excepted. Not only is China and India a threat in the region but Russia is forming a very strong alliance with China there as well.
I think that we in the west are going to have to learn unfortunately to swallow a very biter pill. I do not think that western governments will be honest about this especial in the US. It would precipitate I believe massive discontentment and possible unrest, it would challenge the very way of life that we cherish. Was not this one of the very things illustrated during the cold war, showing the very sharp contrast to the way we lived our lives due partially to cheap and never ending fuel. So they conjure up the green thing instead. The baning of ex military vehicles is just the start. If a government or state focuses on a small group and wins, it is then very easy for them then to set a precedent and then escalate the strategy. They will then move on to the next thing.
These are just my pondering and no doubt iI shall be shot down and that is OK. I just think that there is far more to this problem you guys are having with your Pinzgauers within that state than them just being kill joys for the sake of it. They are just exploiting any loopholes that present themselves and your it at the moment.
GB was never in the forefront for "Green issues" yet they are seeking to reduce demand by piling on massive amounts of tax on fuel and gas guzzling cars. They have just announced that the taxes on fuel guzzlers is going to rise. All sorts of ways are being looked at to reduce oil consumption. I believe that this is also so across Europe. Looking at our media, which is always slanted, has always given us the impression that the US does not take green issues seriously, yet they all of a sudden appear to be embracing the nettle now. Why is this? I believe that there is an oil crisis.
I believe that the green issue in respect to green house gasses is overplayed, it is not that I think there is no problem. I just think that governments are very good at acting and exaggerating things when it suits them, in order to achieve there real aim. I think that the west has been extremely concerned about fuel supplies and that that is why we are in the gulf flexing muscle and posturing and threatening further military escalation. I think that they realise that in reality the middle east is a lost cause unless the massive increase in death rate amongst coalition forces could be excepted. Not only is China and India a threat in the region but Russia is forming a very strong alliance with China there as well.
I think that we in the west are going to have to learn unfortunately to swallow a very biter pill. I do not think that western governments will be honest about this especial in the US. It would precipitate I believe massive discontentment and possible unrest, it would challenge the very way of life that we cherish. Was not this one of the very things illustrated during the cold war, showing the very sharp contrast to the way we lived our lives due partially to cheap and never ending fuel. So they conjure up the green thing instead. The baning of ex military vehicles is just the start. If a government or state focuses on a small group and wins, it is then very easy for them then to set a precedent and then escalate the strategy. They will then move on to the next thing.
These are just my pondering and no doubt iI shall be shot down and that is OK. I just think that there is far more to this problem you guys are having with your Pinzgauers within that state than them just being kill joys for the sake of it. They are just exploiting any loopholes that present themselves and your it at the moment.
Anthony
GB
GB
Here is the text from the Wisconsin vehicle registration info.
"341.10 Grounds for refusing registration. The department
shall refuse registration of a vehicle under any of the following
circumstances:"
[skip several items]
"(6) The vehicle is originally designed and manufactured for
off−highway operation unless the vehicle meets the provisions of
s. 114 of the national traffic and motor vehicle safety act of 1966,
as amended, except as otherwise authorized by the statutes."
Other states don't have this specific wording. I tried to find a definition of off-highway but couldn't. Also, I'd question the clarity of the wording...is design for off-highway operation to the exclusion of highway operation? I believe the intent was to keep tractors and other vehicles that were never intended to be on the road, off the road. The Pinz was designed for highway use...lights, blinkers, high-range transfer case, horn, tires rated for road speed.
No where does the Wis. code specifically say "military".
"341.10 Grounds for refusing registration. The department
shall refuse registration of a vehicle under any of the following
circumstances:"
[skip several items]
"(6) The vehicle is originally designed and manufactured for
off−highway operation unless the vehicle meets the provisions of
s. 114 of the national traffic and motor vehicle safety act of 1966,
as amended, except as otherwise authorized by the statutes."
Other states don't have this specific wording. I tried to find a definition of off-highway but couldn't. Also, I'd question the clarity of the wording...is design for off-highway operation to the exclusion of highway operation? I believe the intent was to keep tractors and other vehicles that were never intended to be on the road, off the road. The Pinz was designed for highway use...lights, blinkers, high-range transfer case, horn, tires rated for road speed.
No where does the Wis. code specifically say "military".
Kimball
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There is an article in Sunday November 18 Wisconsin State Journal, front page of the Local section about this ban. It quotes a retired Madison police officer regarding his Jeep. It also quotes WisDOT's Linda Lewis.
I was unable to find this on the net, someone more capable than I may be able to.
Paul
I was unable to find this on the net, someone more capable than I may be able to.
Paul
HMV Article
This should work: http://www.madison.com/wsj/home/local/w ... 01&ntpid=1
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I don't understand why Wisconsin thinks they can enforce the law differently. Section 30112 clearly states where the statute does not apply, section 30112, B,9 from: http://uscode.house.gov/download/pls/49C301.txt
-CITE-
49 USC Sec. 30112 01/03/05
-EXPCITE-
TITLE 49 - TRANSPORTATION
SUBTITLE VI - MOTOR VEHICLE AND DRIVER PROGRAMS
PART A - GENERAL
CHAPTER 301 - MOTOR VEHICLE SAFETY
SUBCHAPTER II - STANDARDS AND COMPLIANCE
-HEAD-
Sec. 30112. Prohibitions on manufacturing, selling, and importing
noncomplying motor vehicles and equipment
-STATUTE-
(a) General. - Except as provided in this section, sections 30113
and 30114 of this title, and subchapter III of this chapter, a
person may not manufacture for sale, sell, offer for sale,
introduce or deliver for introduction in interstate commerce, or
import into the United States, any motor vehicle or motor vehicle
equipment manufactured on or after the date an applicable motor
vehicle safety standard prescribed under this chapter takes effect
unless the vehicle or equipment complies with the standard and is
covered by a certification issued under section 30115 of this
title.
(b) Nonapplication. - This section does not apply to -
(1) the sale, offer for sale, or introduction or delivery for
introduction in interstate commerce of a motor vehicle or motor
vehicle equipment after the first purchase of the vehicle or
equipment in good faith other than for resale;
(2) a person -
(A) establishing that the person had no reason to know,
despite exercising reasonable care, that a motor vehicle or
motor vehicle equipment does not comply with applicable motor
vehicle safety standards prescribed under this chapter; or
(B) holding, without knowing about the noncompliance and
before the vehicle or equipment is first purchased in good
faith other than for resale, a certificate issued by a
manufacturer or importer stating the vehicle or equipment
complies with applicable standards prescribed under this
chapter;
(3) a motor vehicle or motor vehicle equipment intended only
for export, labeled for export on the vehicle or equipment and on
the outside of any container of the vehicle or equipment, and
exported;
(4) a motor vehicle the Secretary of Transportation decides
under section 30141 of this title is capable of complying with
applicable standards prescribed under this chapter;
(5) a motor vehicle imported for personal use by an individual
who receives an exemption under section 30142 of this title;
(6) a motor vehicle under section 30143 of this title imported
by an individual employed outside the United States;
(7) a motor vehicle under section 30144 of this title imported
on a temporary basis;
(8) a motor vehicle or item of motor vehicle equipment under
section 30145 of this title requiring further manufacturing; or
(9) a motor vehicle that is at least 25 years old.
-SOURCE-
(Pub. L. 103-272, Sec. 1(e), July 5, 1994, 108 Stat. 945.)
So, Section 30112 states that 30113, 30114 and 30115 are not required for our vehicles. It is clear that Wisconsin DOT is trying to enforce Federal laws set up for vehicles less than 25 years old on our Pinzgauers. Here is the NHTSA site identifying that vehicles over 25 years old can be imported and by default able to be registered in section 30112.
http://www.nhtsa.dot.gov/cars/rules/imp ... page2.html:
8. Importing a vehicle that is at least 25 years old.
A motor vehicle that is at least 25 years old can be lawfully imported into the U.S. without regard to whether it complies with all applicable FMVSS. Such a vehicle would be entered under Box 1 on the HS-7 Declaration form to be given to Customs at the time of importation. If you wish to see that form, you may download a copy from our website at www.nhtsa.dot.gov/cars/rules/import. You should note that the 25 year period runs from the date of the vehicle's manufacture. If the date of manufacture is not identified on a label permanently affixed to the vehicle by its original manufacturer, to establish the age of the vehicle, you should have documentation available such as an invoice showing the date the vehicle was first sold or a registration document showing that the vehicle was registered at least 25 years ago. Absent such information, a statement from a recognized vehicle historical society identifying the age of the vehicle could be used.
-CITE-
49 USC Sec. 30112 01/03/05
-EXPCITE-
TITLE 49 - TRANSPORTATION
SUBTITLE VI - MOTOR VEHICLE AND DRIVER PROGRAMS
PART A - GENERAL
CHAPTER 301 - MOTOR VEHICLE SAFETY
SUBCHAPTER II - STANDARDS AND COMPLIANCE
-HEAD-
Sec. 30112. Prohibitions on manufacturing, selling, and importing
noncomplying motor vehicles and equipment
-STATUTE-
(a) General. - Except as provided in this section, sections 30113
and 30114 of this title, and subchapter III of this chapter, a
person may not manufacture for sale, sell, offer for sale,
introduce or deliver for introduction in interstate commerce, or
import into the United States, any motor vehicle or motor vehicle
equipment manufactured on or after the date an applicable motor
vehicle safety standard prescribed under this chapter takes effect
unless the vehicle or equipment complies with the standard and is
covered by a certification issued under section 30115 of this
title.
(b) Nonapplication. - This section does not apply to -
(1) the sale, offer for sale, or introduction or delivery for
introduction in interstate commerce of a motor vehicle or motor
vehicle equipment after the first purchase of the vehicle or
equipment in good faith other than for resale;
(2) a person -
(A) establishing that the person had no reason to know,
despite exercising reasonable care, that a motor vehicle or
motor vehicle equipment does not comply with applicable motor
vehicle safety standards prescribed under this chapter; or
(B) holding, without knowing about the noncompliance and
before the vehicle or equipment is first purchased in good
faith other than for resale, a certificate issued by a
manufacturer or importer stating the vehicle or equipment
complies with applicable standards prescribed under this
chapter;
(3) a motor vehicle or motor vehicle equipment intended only
for export, labeled for export on the vehicle or equipment and on
the outside of any container of the vehicle or equipment, and
exported;
(4) a motor vehicle the Secretary of Transportation decides
under section 30141 of this title is capable of complying with
applicable standards prescribed under this chapter;
(5) a motor vehicle imported for personal use by an individual
who receives an exemption under section 30142 of this title;
(6) a motor vehicle under section 30143 of this title imported
by an individual employed outside the United States;
(7) a motor vehicle under section 30144 of this title imported
on a temporary basis;
(8) a motor vehicle or item of motor vehicle equipment under
section 30145 of this title requiring further manufacturing; or
(9) a motor vehicle that is at least 25 years old.
-SOURCE-
(Pub. L. 103-272, Sec. 1(e), July 5, 1994, 108 Stat. 945.)
So, Section 30112 states that 30113, 30114 and 30115 are not required for our vehicles. It is clear that Wisconsin DOT is trying to enforce Federal laws set up for vehicles less than 25 years old on our Pinzgauers. Here is the NHTSA site identifying that vehicles over 25 years old can be imported and by default able to be registered in section 30112.
http://www.nhtsa.dot.gov/cars/rules/imp ... page2.html:
8. Importing a vehicle that is at least 25 years old.
A motor vehicle that is at least 25 years old can be lawfully imported into the U.S. without regard to whether it complies with all applicable FMVSS. Such a vehicle would be entered under Box 1 on the HS-7 Declaration form to be given to Customs at the time of importation. If you wish to see that form, you may download a copy from our website at www.nhtsa.dot.gov/cars/rules/import. You should note that the 25 year period runs from the date of the vehicle's manufacture. If the date of manufacture is not identified on a label permanently affixed to the vehicle by its original manufacturer, to establish the age of the vehicle, you should have documentation available such as an invoice showing the date the vehicle was first sold or a registration document showing that the vehicle was registered at least 25 years ago. Absent such information, a statement from a recognized vehicle historical society identifying the age of the vehicle could be used.
If you didn't get stuck, you didn't try hard enough.
'74 710K
1984 in 2009
'74 710K
1984 in 2009
Well, the Wisconsin law only deals with the registration and not the importation.
On another note, the Wis. Pinz owner has two other options. Register as a 'special interest vehicle' if its stock or 'street modified' if it has been modified. Both of these carry restrictions, but the Wisconsin law should allow the Pinz to be registered. (If you reference my previous post, it has the words "except as otherwise authorized by the statutes").
Personnally, I'd fight for a modification of the law but you may have options.
Go to the following link for the full text on Wisconsin registration.
http://www.legis.state.wi.us/Statutes/Stat0341.pdf
On another note, the Wis. Pinz owner has two other options. Register as a 'special interest vehicle' if its stock or 'street modified' if it has been modified. Both of these carry restrictions, but the Wisconsin law should allow the Pinz to be registered. (If you reference my previous post, it has the words "except as otherwise authorized by the statutes").
Personnally, I'd fight for a modification of the law but you may have options.
Go to the following link for the full text on Wisconsin registration.
http://www.legis.state.wi.us/Statutes/Stat0341.pdf
Kimball
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There are a number of statements in Sundays article to which I beg to differ. Call me a differ-begger if you will.
Linda Lewis, WisDOT program chief of vehicle records, says:
"We didn't know at the time what the Pinzgauers really were". Really? Google??
"It really wasn't a change. It was really just to (do) what...we should have been doing." I'm sorry, a license plate last year and no license plate next year. That's a change. WisDOT policy only, not law, but change never the less.
"there's no plans right now" to search state records for other vehicles that might not be properly documented as highway-safe, but DMV employees are taking a careful look at new registrations that come in. Well, Steve B in Appleton has been denied '43 Jeep registration since August '07. New registrations are one issue. However, if previously registered Jeeps are "grandfathered" in, why can't previously registered Pinzgauers be "grandfathered" in. No plans, my hiney.
regulating historic military vehicles for specific uses, such as parades and car shows. Name me ONE other vehicle which is TITLED as such in Wisconsin! Those purposes are the reason Wisconsin offers "Collector" plates, and there are no annual fees for these plates. HMVs ought to be LICENSED according to their uses. How about treating Pinzgauer owners FAIRLY?
Didja know that DOT does not stand for Department of Truth? Maybe Distortion of Truth. Sorry, I'm tired.
I spoke yesterday with Sen. Erpenbach's office staff. Robert Doeckel no longer works there, and Tryg is taking over where he left. I wanted their review on a 'letter to the editor' I was writing in reply to the article in Sunday's Wisconsin State Journal. As it turns out, according to Tryg, the DOT WAS NOT requested to attend the 10/22 meeting as I previously reported. Robert had indicated differently to me....
I emailed my editorial yesterday to the Wisconsin State Journal.
I also emailed info to a local radio talk-show host.
Kimball, thanks for your input/s. They are great food for thought.
In the meantime, I guess I'll have to use the M35A2 for hauling the chicken feed for now. So much more roadworthy.............
Happy Friggin' Thanksgiving Everone,
Paul
Linda Lewis, WisDOT program chief of vehicle records, says:
"We didn't know at the time what the Pinzgauers really were". Really? Google??
"It really wasn't a change. It was really just to (do) what...we should have been doing." I'm sorry, a license plate last year and no license plate next year. That's a change. WisDOT policy only, not law, but change never the less.
"there's no plans right now" to search state records for other vehicles that might not be properly documented as highway-safe, but DMV employees are taking a careful look at new registrations that come in. Well, Steve B in Appleton has been denied '43 Jeep registration since August '07. New registrations are one issue. However, if previously registered Jeeps are "grandfathered" in, why can't previously registered Pinzgauers be "grandfathered" in. No plans, my hiney.
regulating historic military vehicles for specific uses, such as parades and car shows. Name me ONE other vehicle which is TITLED as such in Wisconsin! Those purposes are the reason Wisconsin offers "Collector" plates, and there are no annual fees for these plates. HMVs ought to be LICENSED according to their uses. How about treating Pinzgauer owners FAIRLY?
Didja know that DOT does not stand for Department of Truth? Maybe Distortion of Truth. Sorry, I'm tired.
I spoke yesterday with Sen. Erpenbach's office staff. Robert Doeckel no longer works there, and Tryg is taking over where he left. I wanted their review on a 'letter to the editor' I was writing in reply to the article in Sunday's Wisconsin State Journal. As it turns out, according to Tryg, the DOT WAS NOT requested to attend the 10/22 meeting as I previously reported. Robert had indicated differently to me....
I emailed my editorial yesterday to the Wisconsin State Journal.
I also emailed info to a local radio talk-show host.
Kimball, thanks for your input/s. They are great food for thought.
In the meantime, I guess I'll have to use the M35A2 for hauling the chicken feed for now. So much more roadworthy.............
Happy Friggin' Thanksgiving Everone,
Paul
Paul,
Thanks, I was dumb founded by that article. What a bunch of SH**, where do these guys get thier information from. Talk about being off the subject and not having all the facts.
I did not buy my truck to drive it to parades. During the summer I drive it just like all the other folks with "fun" cars, where ever I can. Even to work sometimes. My truck is an all year around truck. I added an additional heater for the rear so that I can drive in the cold and snow.
Scooter
Thanks, I was dumb founded by that article. What a bunch of SH**, where do these guys get thier information from. Talk about being off the subject and not having all the facts.
I did not buy my truck to drive it to parades. During the summer I drive it just like all the other folks with "fun" cars, where ever I can. Even to work sometimes. My truck is an all year around truck. I added an additional heater for the rear so that I can drive in the cold and snow.
Scooter
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So far, no bites from any media.
I sent Gov. Doyle a letter today, and cc'd it to Sen. Erpenbach, the Wisconsin State Journal writer who penned the article, and WisDOT's Linda Lewis. I hand delivered WisDOT's copy to her reception desk, as the public is not allowed any further into the building. I mailed the remainder.
I have requested that Gov. Doyle demand that WisDOT treat Pinzgauer owners fairly and the same as all other Wisconsinite HMV owners, ie.
EITHER, "grandfather" all previously registered HMVs (including Pinz's) and let us continue to operate our trucks but not issue any new registrations. This is what WisDOT claimed they are doing currently with all other HMVs.
OR, cancel the titles and plates of ALL HMVs (including Pinz's) and issue the owners the SAME B.S. title as Pinz owners got which lists the vehicle as NON ROADWORTHY and thus effectively devalues the vehicle.
I CHALLENGE WIS-DOT TO INTERPRET/ADMINISTER THE LAWS OF WISCONSIN FAIRLY, AND TREAT PINZGAUER OWNERS THE SAME AS EVERY WISCONSINITE.
Paul Underwood
Blue Mounds, Wisconsin
I sent Gov. Doyle a letter today, and cc'd it to Sen. Erpenbach, the Wisconsin State Journal writer who penned the article, and WisDOT's Linda Lewis. I hand delivered WisDOT's copy to her reception desk, as the public is not allowed any further into the building. I mailed the remainder.
I have requested that Gov. Doyle demand that WisDOT treat Pinzgauer owners fairly and the same as all other Wisconsinite HMV owners, ie.
EITHER, "grandfather" all previously registered HMVs (including Pinz's) and let us continue to operate our trucks but not issue any new registrations. This is what WisDOT claimed they are doing currently with all other HMVs.
OR, cancel the titles and plates of ALL HMVs (including Pinz's) and issue the owners the SAME B.S. title as Pinz owners got which lists the vehicle as NON ROADWORTHY and thus effectively devalues the vehicle.
I CHALLENGE WIS-DOT TO INTERPRET/ADMINISTER THE LAWS OF WISCONSIN FAIRLY, AND TREAT PINZGAUER OWNERS THE SAME AS EVERY WISCONSINITE.
Paul Underwood
Blue Mounds, Wisconsin
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Hello,
Thanks for your interest and inquiry.
Short answer is: we still don't have our titles and licenses back. I have spoken with one owner of a historic military vehicle (U.S. Jeep) who has already given up and registered his vehicle in another state.
I was told by Sen. Jon Erpenbach's office last week that WisDOT is working to introduce a bill which will address their registration/licensing of Historic Military Vehicles, and Pinzgauers. Sen. Erpenbach's staff report still awaiting this proposed bill, and have promised to notify me when it arrives there.
Meanwhile, a group of HMV owner/enthusiasts and attorneys have been at work drafting a similar bill to address the same situation. This bill will be sponsored by Assemblyman Karl Van Roy (also a member of the Committee on Transportation), and I believe has been delivered to his office already.
There will be an opportunity for public input before both houses. This bill, or these bills, should be able to be voted upon and hopefully be on the governor's desk before the end of the current legislative session (I believe it ends in May).
It's still winter here, (read: SALT SEASON) so there's not much urgency to have my truck licensed, yet. Meanwhile, WisDOT just raised their fees, probably because they're chasing willing licensees away. And now the U.S. Army is purchasing Pinzgauers (WTF???).
Confusedly, Paul
Thanks for your interest and inquiry.
Short answer is: we still don't have our titles and licenses back. I have spoken with one owner of a historic military vehicle (U.S. Jeep) who has already given up and registered his vehicle in another state.
I was told by Sen. Jon Erpenbach's office last week that WisDOT is working to introduce a bill which will address their registration/licensing of Historic Military Vehicles, and Pinzgauers. Sen. Erpenbach's staff report still awaiting this proposed bill, and have promised to notify me when it arrives there.
Meanwhile, a group of HMV owner/enthusiasts and attorneys have been at work drafting a similar bill to address the same situation. This bill will be sponsored by Assemblyman Karl Van Roy (also a member of the Committee on Transportation), and I believe has been delivered to his office already.
There will be an opportunity for public input before both houses. This bill, or these bills, should be able to be voted upon and hopefully be on the governor's desk before the end of the current legislative session (I believe it ends in May).
It's still winter here, (read: SALT SEASON) so there's not much urgency to have my truck licensed, yet. Meanwhile, WisDOT just raised their fees, probably because they're chasing willing licensees away. And now the U.S. Army is purchasing Pinzgauers (WTF???).
Confusedly, Paul
I had to take the Pinz out last night to get wood from Home Depot for a project I am working on at home. 4x8 sheets of plywood just do not fit well in my SUV. It is not a long drive, but it is on a major road. I did it under the cover of darkness... 
.... The plates that I have on my truck expire at the end of Feb, so at least I "look" still legal at first glance. I figure if I get pulled over, the truck will get towed worst case.
The roads were dry, but still salty.
Scooter
.... The plates that I have on my truck expire at the end of Feb, so at least I "look" still legal at first glance. I figure if I get pulled over, the truck will get towed worst case.The roads were dry, but still salty.
Scooter