Bad break for H3

[PinzEOD]

Depends on the intended usage...and company. Moderate off-roading with wife and/or kids along? H2.. Hardcore adventuring/loads/trailering? HMMWV.
I think this is sorta like what Dennis has alluded to about other vehicles in another thread...though the concept for both vehicles is similar (rugged military looks 'H2', rugged military design 'HMMWV'), they really are two totally different platforms.

[2012]

seems reasonable, well some of what you say does. i bet the h2's are pretty comfy wumphy. i've never driven one. the real hummers are pretty nice, tho. and now that i think about it, i'm sure that any of my previous gf's would all much rather be seen in a hmmwv than be seen "posing" in an h2. ppl i know who are concerned with other's opinions can't tolerate looking fake. egos are tricky. they double back at every move. huh. so my ego's way too sensitive to endure being seen in an h2. i would have to strip anything useless from the thing. could be something nice under all the bling bling!

the only beautiful thing in this world is truth. nothing else is. i'm refering to the ppl who MARKET things like h2's and hair spray and jewelry. they are NOT your friends.

[springhill]

I know I have discussed this previously, but it was lost with the old posts.
I own an H2, H3, two 710's, and a 712. The pinz's are used everyday for ranch work. I probably spend more time in my pinz than most owners. My pinz's never see hard pavement and are not play toys.
I generally don't offroad on purpose, but due to my job, I am offroad (mainly pasture roads) 80 percent of the time. I live in northern New Mexico where there is mud, snow, rocks, and juniper trees. I believe every vehicle has a place and purpose. My H2 has been places I wouldn't take a pinz----you have to admit the brakes are not that great---especially it you have ever tried to climb a very steep, rocky hill and had the pinz quit running---talk about pucker factor!!!!!! I will admit that the H2 is not a rock buggy, but neither is the pinz----neither one flexes enough. The H2 will take a pinz in the mud anyday---more power helps!
just keep in mind that I am not bashing the pinz in any way---It is a great offroad vehicle.
I would like to discuss the video-----i don't care what vehicle you are in when you spin the tires on a steep rocky incline---It is very easy to break parts. If the pinz had 300 horsepower you would indeed break some extremely expensive parts. I recently had a transmission rebuilt and the main shaft ALONE cost over $2000 and had to be ordered from across the big pond. The total rebuild was over $4000 on a $10500 vehicle. I don't think a hummer tranny would cost $20,000 (Almost half the cost of a H2) to rebuild.
My H2 has almost 50,000 trouble free miles ( I did bust the case on the front dif----totally my fault but covered by warranty---Does your pinz have one of those?)
I could go on, but what's the use--people will bash things they are threatened by------I can't stand Democrats
Just Kidding--I love all things great and small!
Bring on the discussion

[milesdzyn]

If you’re going to compare prices/cost of repairs you need to start with the original cost for both vehicles, not used cost vs. new cost. A brand new Pinz started its life at around $100,000.00 a little closer to $150,000.00 plus in today’s dollars not $10,500.00

I have no problem with the H1, H2, H3, or Humvee. Okay I do have a problem with the H3; it looks like the offspring of a Honda element and a ford explorer. But I have a different idea of off-road vehicles. There are vehicles that are designed for dirt road use and there are vehicles designed for true off-road use. The division point between dirt road and off-road is wheel base to vertical clearance ratio. But that’s just my opinion. Yeah they can go off-road anything can, it's just a matter of how far you want to get in unknown terrain.

Miles

Oh and you knew someone was going to do it

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/2005-HUM ... dZViewItem

[springhill]

You put forth a valid point on used vs. new. How many of you would wheel a pinz if you paid $150,000 for it? A used pinz averages around 10000 to 15000 or about 10% of the new cost. I would wheel an H2 for $5000 ( 10% of new) . Plus you would have good air cond. and heat. A quiet smooth ride, heated leather seats, one locker----etc. Plus a GM dealership around every corner that charges about $50/hour instead of $75/hr for the pinz.

[Jim LaGuardia]

The average labor at a GM dealer here in Ca is between $72-$128 per hour

[David Dunn]

Used P38 Range Rover.... $5800
replacement pollen filters...$36

Looks on the faces of Pinzers at the end of the trail.... Priceless

Next month, maybe I'll replace the street tires

[M Wehrman]

Our vehiciles are our like our wives. They do a good job and if they happen to look pretty in the process....SCORE! TTFN,Mark

[M Wehrman]

Plus a GM dealership around every corner that charges about $50/hour instead of $75/hr for the pinz.
I don't believe there is a dealer in the Phx area under $85 an hour, and even in NM I believe it's been a while since your last retail repair visit!
Lotsa talk from everyone but if what you drive makes you happy,enjoy. The H2 broken on the trail is no different than a Pinz on It's side when you are alone.
Some of my most memorable adventures involved a '64 scout,gravity and water!!
Stirring it up,Mark

[Profpinz]

I see GM here are going to start importing the H3 .... great!

I like the H1 ... it's an "honest" no-garbage design (form follows function and all that stuff) but the rest are the best / worst "marketing blokes" can dream up!

[2012]

profpinz shares my distress re the lame auto designers (scammers), it seems. right on.

[springhill]

My local GM dealer charges $58/hr. It is New Mexico afterall!!!
The H3 is probably a more capable four wheeler than the H2 due to its smaller size. My wife won't let me take it out to try , but 4-wheeler magazine believes it is one of the best out of the box SUV off-road vehicle. How many SUV's offer a rear locker and 285-75-16 tires, plus they start around $29,000. A Jeep Rubicon will cost you that much.
I'm just curious---how many of you have been off-road in an H2??

[2012]

slight diversion from topic:

my experience with my 1990 suburban clearly indicates to me what a P O S the truck is and what caliber of ppl it was who victimized the public with this posessed monstrosity. i truly despise (and often feel rage toward) the corporation's directors of that time. in 2 weeks, i'm giving mine away, minus all the non-gmc items i added to it (the only parts worth keeping).

the only new vehicles i have ever owned are 80's toyota pickups and an 89 lc. at that time, the comparisons in quality between toyotas and any american vehicle were absurd.

these days my friends say they LOVE their gmc's. and although their body designers appear to be mentally retarded, i gotta say their trucks run awesome.

does this indicate it's now possible to keep said comparison on the same sheet of paper? should i forgive and forget, or will i just be tricked again?

sorry that was so lengthy. coffee's kick'n in...

[HafWit]

I always find these discussions interesting because there are a number of people out there who feel very strongly about one or more of the various vehicles mentioned. It all comes down to personal preference as we can each argue on and on about the merits of our chosen vehicle(s) and the issues we have with other vehicles we either have had bad experiences with or which we simply find to be repulsive in appearance or other characteristics. It would seem that the primary reason the civilian Hummer variants get so much contempt from offroaders is quite simply that they are designed primarily as road vehicles that "look" as if they might have offroad capability. Sure, you can take an H1, H2, H3 or just about any other vehicle offroad, but for every vehicle taken offroad, there will be one or more types of obstacles that will defeat them. No one vehicle excels at everthing, and though I personally find the H2 and H3 hideous in appearance, it would appear that the buying public feels differently . If it were up to me, I'd agree with Dave Dunn that everybody should step up to the plate and get a Haflinger .

[2012]

hmm. haffy. what's their advantage (other than narrow width)?