Heads up - Harbor Freight has their 10k# winch on sale.

audiocontr · Post by **audiocontr** » Fri Oct 01, 2010 8:48 am

Not trying to get into all sorts of discussions on quality vs WARN, etc... but this weekend their winch is almost half off. Might be of interest as a backup winch

Erik712m · Post by **Erik712m** » Fri Oct 01, 2010 11:51 am

Is it 24v would you post the add please?

undysworld · Post by **undysworld** » Fri Oct 01, 2010 12:07 pm

Likely this: http://www.harborfreight.com/10000-lb-c ... 67577.html

If so, not 24v.

M Wehrman · Post by **M Wehrman** » Fri Oct 01, 2010 12:55 pm

As your board representitve for Harbor Freight,

they are all 12V. We have very few returns on the big winches. I've had one on my Pinz for over 5 years,been used lots for real pulls,no issues. My faith is so much that I put the 10K on my Volvo also. A customer told me there was a write-up in a 4x4 mag comparing the HF winch to Warns,and it was favoring the HF. Just some more ammo for the inevitable winch debate!

Mark

Fleg · Post by **Fleg** » Fri Oct 01, 2010 1:16 pm

M Wehrman wrote:As your board representitve for Harbor Freight, they are all 12V. We have very few returns on the big winches. I've had one on my Pinz for over 5 years,been used lots for real pulls,no issues. My faith is so much that I put the 10K on my Volvo also. A customer told me there was a write-up in a 4x4 mag comparing the HF winch to Warns,and it was favoring the HF. Just some more ammo for the inevitable winch debate!
Mark

Do you happen to know where that write up was? That would be a very interesting read.

Fleg · Post by **Fleg** » Fri Oct 01, 2010 1:48 pm

Are these the real line speeds? They are insanely slow for the size of motor and gearing in the winch. Anyone own one of these? 6.56 FPM at 2klbs....It would take over 10 min's just to spool in the length of cable it comes with!!

Line speed (in feet per minute):
6.56 FPM @ 2000 lbs
6.23 FPM @ 4000 lbs
4.92 FPM @ 6000 lbs,
4.26 FPM @ 8000 lbs
3.28 FPM @ 10,000 lbs.

Erik712m · Post by **Erik712m** » Fri Oct 01, 2010 1:55 pm

Thanks Paul.

Fleg, I imagine it would be faster when you supply 24v to it.

NYPinz · Post by **NYPinz** » Fri Oct 01, 2010 5:02 pm

In for 1, nice post. Now how do I mount this thing? Does anyone make a reciever for the front so I can get the reciever mount for it?

Also, are you just running 24v to it or stepping it down to 12v?

Fleg · Post by **Fleg** » Fri Oct 01, 2010 6:39 pm

Erik712m wrote:Thanks Paul.

Fleg, I imagine it would be faster when you supply 24v to it.

You guys are not really doing that, are you?

audiocontr · Post by **audiocontr** » Fri Oct 01, 2010 10:44 pm

Id be very interested to see how it goes...

It has a warranty, so try it immediately and see how fast it heats up. Might be best for the folks who have a B&M locally

totaljoint · Post by **totaljoint** » Fri Oct 01, 2010 10:57 pm

Compared to the cost of a Warn, with Harbor Freight at $299 you can get two, wire them in series, and behold: you've got a 20,000lb 24v winch.
Should wind twice as fast too.

ExpeditionImports · Post by **ExpeditionImports** » Sat Oct 02, 2010 12:46 pm

audiocontr wrote:Id be very interested to see how it goes...

It has a warranty, so try it immediately and see how fast it heats up. Might be best for the folks who have a B&M locally

Just what a retailer likes to hear. Lets take a product, use it 100% against it's design parameters, and return it if it doesn't handle the over voltage.

Hate to say it guys, but this right here is why smaller retailers are getting rid of their return policies. The days of personal responsibility are gone with the "walmart" shopper crowd. I'm an idiot, doing idiot things, and someone else should pay for it......whats worse is it is becoming accepted practice. The line between right and wrong seems to end with the justification that it's a "big company" and they can take care of it.

Pick up the phone and call the customer support/manufacturer. Look up the tech sheets. Find out if what you are trying to do is ACCEPTABLE BY THE COMPANY THAT IS GOING TO BE PAYING FOR YOUR LACK OF COMMON SENSE. Finally if you decide in your researched wisdom that you are going to use a piece of equipment against the manufacturers specs., then have the balls to eat $250 and chalk it up to your own stupidity if it fails.

Sorry for the rant, but this is crap behavior, more and more common today.

Cheers,

Scott

audiocontr · Post by **audiocontr** » Sat Oct 02, 2010 4:42 pm

ExpeditionImports wrote:
audiocontr wrote:Id be very interested to see how it goes...

It has a warranty, so try it immediately and see how fast it heats up. Might be best for the folks who have a B&M locally

Just what a retailer likes to hear. Lets take a product, use it 100% against it's design parameters, and return it if it doesn't handle the over voltage.

Hate to say it guys, but this right here is why smaller retailers are getting rid of their return policies. The days of personal responsibility are gone with the "walmart" shopper crowd. I'm an idiot, doing idiot things, and someone else should pay for it......whats worse is it is becoming accepted practice. The line between right and wrong seems to end with the justification that it's a "big company" and they can take care of it.

Pick up the phone and call the customer support/manufacturer. Look up the tech sheets. Find out if what you are trying to do is ACCEPTABLE BY THE COMPANY THAT IS GOING TO BE PAYING FOR YOUR LACK OF COMMON SENSE. Finally if you decide in your researched wisdom that you are going to use a piece of equipment against the manufacturers specs., then have the balls to eat $250 and chalk it up to your own stupidity if it fails.

Sorry for the rant, but this is crap behavior, more and more common today.

Cheers,

Scott

Lots of personal insults there. Nice job!

Erik712m · Post by **Erik712m** » Sat Oct 02, 2010 6:37 pm

I can relate with what Scott wrote. And would have to admit I was contemplating trying one out. It's good to be reminded right and wrong some times. Oh well.

ExpeditionImports · Post by **ExpeditionImports** » Sat Oct 02, 2010 6:52 pm

Sorry, I'd actually edited my post so I wouldn't beat up on you. Don't take it personally just commenting on the behavior that seems to be acceptable and commonplace. I think a lot of people don't even think about the ethics of it, and if they did would probably agree it's a bad practice.

As a buyer, your expectations are that when you buy a part it works and doesn't fail. If it does fail you want to hold the seller responsible. (Warranty.)

On the flip side, as a Seller, we have the expectation that said part is going to be installed/used properly.

The system works as it is supposed to as long as both parties are honest. When it goes sideways, someone is going to lose. There is a trend within small businesses to eliminate return policies. Does that surprise you?

Recently I was on a huge 4x4 site. The knowledge being handed out is to go to garage sales and purchase snap-on/craftsman hand tools. Then it explained in detail how to break the tool in order to get a new one under warranty. Same B.S., just different application.

Food for thought.

Cheers,

Scott