Anyone have experience with Dorotheum Auction House?

[will_smc]

Hey guys. I'm currently in the process of buying a pinz and if I could i would buy one of the beautiful Pinzgauers in the classifieds but I just don't have the budget. So I have had to do some searching for a better deal and I think I found a good place to get a Pinz but I just want to see if anyone has experience with them. So the place is the Dorotheum Auction House in Vienna Austria and they always have Pinzgauers up for auction. My concern is that on their site it says that their vehicles are not guaranteed to start now that got me a little concerned but it made sense since not all Pinzgauers will be in the best condition. But I got a little more worried when I contacted a shipping company that deals with Dorotheum a lot and they said that the Pinzgauers can be pretty difficult to start. So if anyone here has a pinz from Dorotheum I would love to hear about its condition.

[Hotzenplotz]

There are two " classes" of Pinzgauers currently for auction

* those who face a repair costing more than 500 €; they are sold as defective; reasons are rarely fully published

* on the other hand there are some vehicles that have been sold off just because the government decided to replace them with MITSUBISHI ...., so they are still roadworthy, but no guarantee is given

* option 3 is currently test run: they guarantee roadworthiness, and include an " oldtimer certificate" which gives you much better conditions with insurance, tax, ... here.

so my honest recommendation is: learn some german, visit the auction, get used to the unwritten rules there, => no, just kidding, but that is where guys like Scott have their business risk, their learning curves, and, unless you want to buy the proverbial " cat in the sack" ( look up that German proverb), you better buy a Pinz that is already stateside !

[will_smc]

There are two " classes" of Pinzgauers currently for auction

* those who face a repair costing more than 500 €; they are sold as defective; reasons are rarely fully published

* on the other hand there are some vehicles that have been sold off just because the government decided to replace them with MITSUBISHI ...., so they are still roadworthy, but no guarantee is given

* option 3 is currently test run: they guarantee roadworthiness, and include an " oldtimer certificate" which gives you much better conditions with insurance, tax, ... here.

so my honest recommendation is: learn some german, visit the auction, get used to the unwritten rules there, => no, just kidding, but that is where guys like Scott have their business risk, their learning curves, and, unless you want to buy the proverbial " cat in the sack" ( look up that German proverb), you better buy a Pinz that is already stateside !

Thanks for the advice, und ich spreche ein bisschen Deutsch.

[stiffler4444]

There are two " classes" of Pinzgauers currently for auction

* those who face a repair costing more than 500 €; they are sold as defective; reasons are rarely fully published

* on the other hand there are some vehicles that have been sold off just because the government decided to replace them with MITSUBISHI ...., so they are still roadworthy, but no guarantee is given

* option 3 is currently test run: they guarantee roadworthiness, and include an " oldtimer certificate" which gives you much better conditions with insurance, tax, ... here.

so my honest recommendation is: learn some german, visit the auction, get used to the unwritten rules there, => no, just kidding, but that is where guys like Scott have their business risk, their learning curves, and, unless you want to buy the proverbial " cat in the sack" ( look up that German proverb), you better buy a Pinz that is already stateside !

Some sound advice to be had here.......

[Hotzenplotz]

Here is an example of an "* option 3" Pinzgauer

https://www.dorotheum.com/auktionen/akt ... 02016.html

It has passed the technical inspection for registration, and has all paperwork included.
This is the ONLY version you can buy, and be sure to drive away; but it leaves you with all hassles of shipping, customs, ...

and bear in mind that a sales fee of 22% will be added to the auction price

[GRCameron]

Buy the best Pinz you can afford. The cost of repairs can rise to astronomical levels quickly - even if the parts seem like they should be reasonably priced. Helps to have a fat Swiss Bank Account

Please edit your profile to show your location. Helps us in answering questions once in awhile.

[Warren]

I've been following these auctions too, if you look carefully at the exhausts you can see that in many photos the pinzgauers are running... Often it is very faint and sometimes there is white steam. However there is still no guarantee of gearbox or drive line problems but it is a good indication if the vehicle was driven to the position it was photographed.

Many are listed with very low kms and while there is no way of knowing the accuracy of this I personally would be bidding on one of these 12000km to 20000km pinzgauers.

The few diesels advertised (1989 model 718 amb) look nice and are just over 25 years old so can be imported but I suspect these will be in poor condition or they wouldn't be getting rid of them so early in the pinz auctions.

Often in ex military vehicle auctions the better vehicles get held back to the end so the best could still be coming. But I wouldnt wait too long because I think they will be gone before we know it...699 to start with and I reckon they are about half way through from what I can tell looking at the "past auctions" on Dorotheum.

Good luck I reckon there are some good buys to be had.

[krick3tt]

Get one already registered in the US and deal with a reputable dealer. That is unless you have an import business and are a great mechanic.
Even so, these are old military vehicles and are prone to some mystery in their operation and condition. Milage may not be an indicator of condition...those gages can be changed out at any time. I have a new speedo and my milage is low...it is a 42 yo vehicle.
Really, don't try to save a few dollars here. As the man said get the best you can afford.

[will_smc]

Buy the best Pinz you can afford. The cost of repairs can rise to astronomical levels quickly - even if the parts seem like they should be reasonably priced. Helps to have a fat Swiss Bank Account

Please edit your profile to show your location. Helps us in answering questions once in awhile.

That's some simple but important advice, thanks. And I thought I put in my location. I'll take care of it immediately.

[will_smc]

Here is an example of an "* option 3" Pinzgauer

https://www.dorotheum.com/auktionen/akt ... 02016.html

It has passed the technical inspection for registration, and has all paperwork included.
This is the ONLY version you can buy, and be sure to drive away; but it leaves you with all hassles of shipping, customs, ...

and bear in mind that a sales fee of 22% will be added to the auction price

Thanks, from what I've seen there are two Pinzgauers in that condition so I'll definitely bid on those.

[VinceAtReal4x4s]

I'm curious why you think you'll get a better deal via an auction in another country after you have to go through the process of getting it to you?

[will_smc]

Get one already registered in the US and deal with a reputable dealer. That is unless you have an import business and are a great mechanic.
Even so, these are old military vehicles and are prone to some mystery in their operation and condition. Milage may not be an indicator of condition...those gages can be changed out at any time. I have a new speedo and my milage is low...it is a 42 yo vehicle.
Really, don't try to save a few dollars here. As the man said get the best you can afford.

I've seen a couple stateside in my range but they are 710s. I personally would prefer a 712. If I don't win a 712 at auction then I will just concede defeat and buy a stateside 710.

[David Dunn]

I’ve been on the different Pinz sites for more than 15 years, and can’t remember how many people have bought into the Pinz bug, only to be disillusioned 6 to 8 months later and sell them due to the truck being too noisy, too slow, too cold , too hard to steer, too expensive to repair…too …too….
I would recommend (as others) to purchase a truck stateside that the previous (disillusioned, passing fade ) owner already upgraded . If you can afford a nice 710, buy it, and if it is a passing fade, you won’t be into it much, OR bide your time to parlay it into a 712, or you may decide to go to a 716 or 718. And in the meantime, you’ll have learns tons of info from tinkering on the 710.

[kdiqq]

Gotta give a shameless plug for the guy who imported mine. Scott has SEVERAL sitting on his lot and loads more on the way. Give him a call and see what he says.

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[will_smc]

Gotta give a shameless plug for the guy who imported mine. Scott has SEVERAL sitting on his lot and loads more on the way. Give him a call and see what he says.

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I'm going to be honest. I don't know who Scott is. So if someone could point him out that would be great.