Hummer with a STEYR motor

Profpinz · Post by **Profpinz** » Tue Jul 03, 2007 12:48 am

I was looking at some Steyr motor specifications today (on the Steyr Motors website) and was surprised to see the Hummer under the list of Military applications.
"Hummer HMMWV M998 fitted with a Steyr M16 TCA HD motor".

I don't know whether this is a special model for export, or an internal vehicle that is used where Euro Emission Compliance is required but I'd be interested to hear more if anyone knows anything!

Steyr Motors webpage is at:
http://www.steyr-motors.com
...and the specific page about the Hummer is at:
http://www.steyr-motors.com/applications/a107.htm

EuroPinz · Post by **EuroPinz** » Tue Jul 03, 2007 3:18 am

Hello,

I have forwarded your interest to some Pinzgauer owner in Austria and also people that regularly walk in and out of the Steyr factory in Graz. Stand by, as soon as I have an answer I'll post it for you.

Regards,

Jacques

Profpinz · Post by **Profpinz** » Tue Jul 03, 2007 8:53 am

G'Day Jacques,

Thanks for that, any information would be much appreciated!

It was also interesting to read on that same Steyr site that they supply motors for some Russian vehicles, including military ones.

EuroPinz · Post by **EuroPinz** » Tue Jul 03, 2007 10:57 am

Hi Peter,

Here is allready a bit of information - but more is to come.

Es gibt den spanischen Hummer "nachbau". Der hat den 6 Zylinder von Steyr Motors drin. Das ist der M1 (hier M16 wegen 6 Zylindern), der als modifizierter M14 (4 Zylinder) jetzt wohl in den neuen 2007'er Pinzi reinkommt.

Translation
There is a spanish made Hummer (reproduction). This one uses a 6 cylinder engine from Steyr Motor. It is the M1 engine(in this case M16 because of the 6 cylinders) same engine but modified M14 (4 cylinders) will be used in the the 2007 Pinzgauer.

Als Lizensbau ist der M14 auch in einem neuen Ostblock Lieferwagen
"Gazette" - bekommt hier aber unterirdische Kritiken.

Translation
Under licensing the M14 is also being used in a delivery truck build in Eastern Europe. "Gazette" is giving here not a good critic.

Böse Stimmen behaupten, er wird nur genommen, weil die Lizensgebühren nicht so hoch sind wie bei den großen Motorenherstellern.

Translation
Bad rumors pretend that this engine is being used because the licensing fees are much cheaper as the ones from larger and well known engine manufacturers.

Steyr Motors ist eine eigene Firma die hauptsächlich Marine Motoren baut.

Translation
Steyr Motors is an independant company that mainly builds marine engines.

PETER there is more information to come because:

(Stef@n? - was sagen die Spione?)

Muss ich mal ausquetschen...

Translation
Stef@n - what are your spies saying?

I need to work on them ....

As soon as I get more information I will post it here.

Best regards down under,

Jacques

Erik712m · Post by **Erik712m** » Tue Jul 03, 2007 8:13 pm

There is a spanish made Hummer (reproduction). This one uses a 6 cylinder engine from Steyr Motor. It is the M1 engine(in this case M16 because of the 6 cylinders) same engine but modified M14 (4 cylinders) will be used in the the 2007 Pinzgauer.
Spanish or do mean mexican?

EuroPinz · Post by **EuroPinz** » Wed Jul 04, 2007 12:50 am

Hi Erik,

I simply translated the info I received and the person mentioned "spanish". Does he now mean "Spain or spanish speaking" - I don't know. However there is actually a big controversy in Europe about which vehicles that are allowed in the center of large cities. All vehicles need to have a "Euro 4 catalytic converter". When the governement said that civilian needed to have it but governmental, military and rescue vehicle did not need to have it a huge controversy started here. My guess is that they are trying to adapt the vehicles to the new european ruling. As soon as I have more information I will post/translate it for you. Steyr Puch marine diesels are well known and the same goes for the diesels they put in agriculture tractors. In fact a couple of farmers in my area use tractors build by Steyr Puch. Let's see what comes out when I get hold of the person that works in Graz (Austria) at Steyr Puch. I haven't heard from him yet.

Best Regards,

Jacques

EuroPinz · Post by **EuroPinz** » Mon Jul 09, 2007 9:43 am

Hello Peter,

Upload this brochure and take a look at page 5:

http://www.steyr-motors.com/products/pdf/vehicle.pdf

Regards,

Jacques

David Dunn · Post by **David Dunn** » Mon Jul 09, 2007 6:07 pm

Jacques
It is interesting that Steyr has the Pinz listed with a M14 engine. About 4 years ago, a owner of a 716K in the UK had contacted Steyr about fitting the M16 into the P80. The drift of their response was that they would need a order for 25 engines to produce them with the needed oil pan. From the response, they never hinted that they had put the M14 in one.
I had contacted ATL about upgradeing the engine to the 2.5TDI, but, at the time, they only converted the earlier TDs to the P93 engine. Looks like its time for me to call them again.

Dave Dunn

Profpinz · Post by **Profpinz** » Mon Jul 09, 2007 7:15 pm

Very interesting Jacques!
Many years ago, back when Steyr Puch made the Pinzgauer (before the Magna buyout) an Austrian mate (Walter Sprosec), advised me that a "mule" was running around the factory that had a Steyr monoblock motor fitted!
Obviously, they have played with the idea of fitting the Steyr motor, on and off, for many years!

JFI: I remember when the TD was released in 85 that many of us enthusiasts were surprised that it had a VW motor fitted rather than Steyrs own! ..... Maybe this will finally change in future years.

EuroPinz · Post by **EuroPinz** » Tue Jul 10, 2007 3:32 am

You're welcome,

This is why this Forum is so interesting. Peter from Australia is posting a question on an american Forum and gets an answer from Europe. I love this internet stuff and one can really get help from all kinds of parts of the world.

Any time again....

Best Regards to all of you,

Jacques

Erik712m · Post by **Erik712m** » Tue Jul 10, 2007 1:11 pm

Isn't the pinzgauer now owned by an American company? it would be crazy to see it finally have a styer motor installed.

David Dunn · Post by **David Dunn** » Tue Jul 10, 2007 2:23 pm

Unless the Steyr engine has come down in price a long way, I believe you'll see VW engines in them for a long time. If it weren't for the purchase of Pinzgauer by the Brits, and "Commonwealth" contracts, you would have seen Pinzgauer go the way of the Haflinger in the '90s. Since the plant was moved to the UK in 2002, only a little over 1000 Pinzes have been made.

Dave Dunn

Profpinz · Post by **Profpinz** » Tue Jul 10, 2007 6:50 pm

I'm guessing that like a lot of specialist commercial and military manufacturers, AT/Armor sail fairly close to the wind as regards contracts .... that is that they are constantly reliant on new military contracts and sales to keep going, so if they miss out on too many tenders they may well go the way of the Haflinger.

The Australian military are currently evaluating Pinzgauers and other vehicles as replacements for our ageing fleet of Land Rovers, but the tender (121 Overlander Project) appears to be dragging it's feet because of possible upcoming changes to the tender requirements, numbers etc.
It's reported that like a lot of other countries involved in overseas operations in these modern times they are contemplating reducing their "soft skin" fleet and increasing their transport reliance on hardened vehicles.

Additionally it was reported that LR had pulled out of the Tender under direction from Ford, but as they are now looking to sell LR, future policies may reverse this situation.

Anthony · Post by **Anthony** » Wed Jul 11, 2007 2:29 am

I believe that national politics often com into play when military tenders are about, goal posts can be moved and adjusted to ensure that local products ease through. Politicians in my opinion are more interested in there own political popularity and longevity than ensuring the best quality product gets through, one only has to look at GB over the years to realise that.

Erik712m · Post by **Erik712m** » Tue Jul 24, 2007 11:17 am

http://www.saymar.co.il/Pinzgaure.htm These guys are say they are installing the styer motor in the 712m