Where, and how many, Pinzgauers exist!

Kirby · Post by **Kirby** » Fri Jun 27, 2008 9:57 pm

Twin Pinzies wrote:In a town of 2,200 residents, there is a total of 7 Pinzgauers here (3 are mine). All of them are 710M's.
I hope that helps....

Should you change your name to Triplet Pinzies ?

:?:

ka · Post by ka » Fri Jun 27, 2008 10:12 pm

kirby sold his 712?

Profpinz · Post by **Profpinz** » Fri Jun 27, 2008 11:12 pm

Peter, any idea how many are in Venezula or somewhere in Indonesia? Where they 710/712 or 716/718?

Andy, they are all 716's to my knowledge BUT they may have purchased some 718's.... As regards numbers I don't know!

Steyr Puch in Graz were excellent at talking to enthusiasts, particulary for a company with military ties .... I'd go so far as to say they were fantastic!

I wrote to them a number of times in the 70's, 80's and 90's and there replies were always prompt and gracious and often accompanyed with brochures and details/drawings etc.

Unfortunately as time went on and AT, then S&S/Armor, then BAE got involved the communication got progressively worse, to a point where extracting information was worse than pulling teeth.
That's a major reason why details on later model Pinzgauers (post SDP) are so "sketchy"/rare.
Contacts were helpful, but the information days of SDP were gone.

Was there anything that should have been numbered a 714?

The number seems familiar, but I can't find anything at present!
SDP used to often number projects progressively, so it may have been a project for a specific client or vehicle modification that never went ahead and because it was "uneventful" never really got spoken about.... unlike 715
The 715 E was the fuel injected air cooled Pinzgauer motor
The 4X4 factory hybrid I own was referred to in SDP speak as a 710-1.6

One would think that it wouldn't be that hard to find out if Syria bought a bunch of Pinzgauers. Would a later copy of Jane's have that info?

As much as I'd love a later edition (I have a 1985 and a 97-98 version) I don't like the price!

I just looked up on Amazon UK and the current version (2007-2008) of Jane's Military Vehicles, is 455 Pounds + postage ... that's about $900 US
Now if anyone has access to the new version (or the online subscription) and can copy the current Pinzgauer data, that would be great!

andy · Post by **andy** » Fri Jun 27, 2008 11:17 pm

Thanks Peter.

Maybe someone here on the forum that lives closer to a larger city with a larger library or a military base with a library can get ahold of a newer copy of Jane's. Or a big Barnes & Noble?

Andy

Twin Pinzies · Post by **Twin Pinzies** » Sat Jun 28, 2008 9:41 am

Kirby wrote:
Twin Pinzies wrote:In a town of 2,200 residents, there is a total of 7 Pinzgauers here (3 are mine). All of them are 710M's.
I hope that helps....
Should you change your name to Triplet Pinzies ? :?:

You have a good point there... You all can start calling me "triple Pinzies" from now on.

Profpinz · Post by **Profpinz** » Sat Jun 28, 2008 10:05 am

how many privatly owned pinzgauers are there in the usa?

I don't know, but any guesses how many Pinzgauers the Swiss Army had in total?

Jim LaGuardia · Post by **Jim LaGuardia** » Sat Jun 28, 2008 5:17 pm

I would put my guess around 5400

That guess is based on an annual purchase of 500 vehicles per year for 1971- 1989.

Profpinz · Post by **Profpinz** » Sat Jun 28, 2008 5:34 pm

Hmmm....within the ballpark Jim!
Any other guesses?

I should say according to records I have (it is a 1983 report) it appears production of air-cooled Pinzgauers for the Swiss finished in 1982.

BTW...I've been spending WAY too much time lately going throught old paper work since this Pinzgauer production numbers question popped up again. It's something that has intrigued me over the years ....I guess "small things amuse small minds!"

)

....anyway Andy, I found out that Venezuela did purchase 600 Pinzgauers between 1982 and 1983.
I still have no idea how many 716/718's they purchased though!

Kirby · Post by **Kirby** » Sat Jun 28, 2008 7:05 pm

ka wrote:kirby sold his 712?

No it is very much still for sale ...

As the temperture drops in October I will start driving it much more often, and than maybe change my mind.... That happens ever time I get behind the wheel... it is just too much fun to sell...

But I will sell it ... I have had 12 people in about 5 months or so Email me for info and pictures (yeah I know I should post them up here) two people have said too much (they were looking to spend about 10K ...

).... and 3 seriously thinking, and said they will get back to me...

The nice part is I am still having fun with it!

Spread the word!

andy · Post by **andy** » Sat Jun 28, 2008 8:15 pm

Peter, that's alot of Pinzgauers. When Alex posted pictures if I remember right he had an ex-Venezulean 712. So maybe they started with 712s and then upgraded.

I asked on another forum about Jane's but haven't been back to see if there is a response.

Of course, if the Isreal/Iran thing keeps going and brews up we are likely to see if Syria has Pinzgauers. For some reason I'm thinking if they have them it would be for rapiers, but I have no idea.

Andy

andy · Post by **andy** » Sun Jun 29, 2008 10:27 am

The reply I got from a fellow who has a 1996 Janes just states:

"Jane's Military Vehicles and Logistics, 1996-97: "

Pinz Turbo D [716 and 718 models]
"In production. In service with the British Army (394)"

Pinz 710 and 712 models:
"In production. In service with Austira, Ghana, Nigeria, Oman, Sudan, Switzerland, Tunisia and the former ygoslavia. Also in service with various nations in the Middle East and South America."

Cheers

Andy

Erik712m · Post by **Erik712m** » Sun Jun 29, 2008 11:06 am

Does saymar still supply parts to Azrieli? Last I heard they were suppling pinz parts to them unsure if they were for the 710 or 716

Profpinz · Post by **Profpinz** » Sun Jun 29, 2008 6:33 pm

Thanks Andy,
The Brits have been supplied Pinny's over quite a long duration and I believe over a number of MOD contracts, so every year during the time of supply the numbers have steadily increased, thereby making it a bit difficult to work out a total number. (As opposed to this the NZ Military brought one batch lot of 321 Pinzgauers)

In Dec 2003, Shaun Connors, military writer for "Military Machines International" (a UK based magazine) wrote in an article "There are currently around 1000 Pinzgauer vehicles in service with UK armed forces"
....he then went on to detail a lot more of the specialist type Pinzgauers in the fleet.

In the next few weeks I'II endeavour to put up a list of Pinzgauers numbers for various countries, then maybe some people might be able to fill in some specific gaps!

andy · Post by **andy** » Sun Jun 29, 2008 7:17 pm

My pleasure Peter. This is sort of like back in the day working an investigation. The next step will be to find out how many are still in service after all these years. As the Pinzis get older and in this age of asymmetrical warfare and the need for more IED/mine resistant vehicles one would hope that more would come on the market either as an intact unit or as a parts supplier.

What I wouldn't give for an importable 718 at a reasonable price. I think a 712DK is sort of a neat unit also.

Cheers,

Andy

ka · Post by ka » Sun Jun 29, 2008 10:46 pm

andy has re-enfisized for me my need to live way into the future. we deserve 716's and 718's like... 25 years from now?

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