Where, and how many, Pinzgauers exist!

[ka]

andy, you say "back in the day working an investigation". what was it you did?

[andy]

Depending on who wins the election they may be importable on the second Tuesday of Never.

Andy

[Erik712m]

Andy, i would say its still the second tuesday to never unless you buy Daves. From what iv'e heard the Uk was going to do like the US and destroy them not sell them.

[andy]

I was a Special Agent (criminal investigator) for what used to be Customs before they merged with INS and became ICE. We actually did some good instead of flailing and floundering around. It was better than crossword puzzles but still basically a numbers game to show that things were being done to safeguard the public.

The retirement check lets me have a Pinz so it was probably worth it.

Andy

[Erik712m]

Andy any idea were one would look at barnes and noble? Looked in the military history with no luck. Also do have any idea the full name of the janes book did looked for books under jane on the computer they have came back with a couple hundred books

[andy]

Look for "Jane's Military Vehicles and Logistics" or Jane's All the Worlds Military Vehicles. Brace yourself because the full size Jane's will cost a bundle. I promise ya it is more than a college textbook.

A good library might have access to it via the internet. Maybe a college with Army ROTC?

[Erik712m]

Thanks andy I will look at barnes in the next couple of days the public library by the house smells pretty bad now that the humidity has set in the homeless go there to cool off so I will leave at as last resort. A also look at butler community they have a pretty good ROTC program

[andy]

Barnes & Nobles, in San Antonio, sometimes has small versions of the different Janes in the military section. The full size ones are pretty hefty.

[PINZGAUER712M]

Just reading the old post, and wanted to let you know that my 712M Pinz is a 1989 model. Why?. Well during 1988 to 1992 if I remember well, Steyr-Puch installed a local Refurbishing plant for the Venezuelan Army Pinzgauers, and many of them were restored from the ground-up during those years and new military papers were also issued for the vehicles when they came out of the refurbishing process. Now most of those vehicles are either in private hands or crashed and destroyed (there were many accidents reported in the Army with those vehicles, as they were given to 18-year or so soldiers).

They then acquired some 716's and a scarce number of 718's during the 90's, but that was it. I would place the number of original Venezuela purchased gas powered pinz's at around 800-1000, and close to 100 of the diesel powered ones.

[andy]

Alex...interesting information. Any of those wrecks up for parts sales?

As an aside for Peter if you are still interested. I came across Jane's website by accident a couple of days ago and they offer nothing in the way of specific information for free. However, for the mere sum of somewhere over $3,000.00 Austrailian you can subscribe to specific parts of their website. In the US and UK it is slightly less.

Cheers,

Andy

[norcal pinz]

I would put my guess around 5400 That guess is based on an annual purchase of 500 vehicles per year for 1971- 1989.

that's total production right can you make a guess of how many privately owned in the USA ? just wondering ...thanks.

[GenevaPinz]

I would put my guess around 5400 That guess is based on an annual purchase of 500 vehicles per year for 1971- 1989.

that's total production right can you make a guess of how many privately owned in the USA ? just wondering ...thanks.

I would assume Jim's figure is for Pinzes in the US already.
The Swiss army had them in the low 5 figures (10-12 thousand)?...

[ExpeditionImports]

As per the Swiss Military's Own vehicle history book: Fahrzeuge Der Schweizer Armee, (By Markus Hofman) the Swiss had 6300 Pinzgauers total. I've found this book to be an excellent reference for swiss transport vehicle information/production numbers.

In addition:

3200 Haflingers
600 - Unimog 401's (mini Mogs)
2000 - Unimog 404's
2037 Land Rover 88 Series II
1800 Steyr 680's

Cheers,

Scott

[Hersir]

I asked this once before--but had no replies. I have to imagine that EI, Cold War, and SAV accounted for a substantial number of the 710/712 Pinzies imported into the US from Switzerland--which account for the vast majority of Pinzies in the US. I'm sure there were other importers, too. Would anyone from these businesses be inclined to share some rough numbers? I'm inclined to guess that the total was between 500 and a 1,000 but have nothing to back that up beyond casual observation.

[GenevaPinz]

As per the Swiss Military's Own vehicle history book: Fahrzeuge Der Schweizer Armee, (By Markus Hofman) the Swiss had 6300 Pinzgauers total.

Ok, so I was way off with my 10k... thanks for correcting.

Now the Land Rovers are a mystery to me. I always thought that Land Rover lost the Swiss army market to the G-wagen when the British picked the brazilian "Tucano" trainer aircraft over the swiss Pilatus PC-9... And I've never seen a Land Rover in my 300 days of military service (while I have seen several of each of the others, sat in some and walked next to many hoping to sit in them... )